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 Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:17 am
This one doesn't really explain death, but it is interesting.Quote: Mythologists pretend that Pluto is the earth, the natural powers and faculties of which are under his direction, so that he is monarch not only of all riches which come from thence, and are at length swallowed up by it, but likewise of the dead; for as all living things spring from the earth, so are they resolved into the principles whence they arose. Proserpine is by them reputed to be the seed or grain of fruits or corn, which must be taken into the earth, and hid there before it can be nourished by it. Found here
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 10:43 am
Eltanin Sadachbia pantherdor Lateralus es Helica Interesting. That reminds me almost of a mix Egyptian lore and well...purgatory. How long ago was that? I'll let Lucid drop in on the Egyptian influence, if any. It just says Ancient Iranian Lore. That's all it gives me. I'll do some internet research for exact dates and get back with you. I would say that is Zoroastrianism. An especially good study for anyone who believes in any of the Abramic faiths. The writings of those religions are all sprung from the earlier Sumerian mythologies, also good studies for those who adhere to Christianity, Judaic, or Islamic faiths. I will go and see if I can find a good online translate of some of those mythologies.
It was one of the stories I was supposed to have read for a mythology class. :3
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 4:24 pm
Chieftain Twilight Lateralus es Helica Chieftain Twilight Eltanin Sadachbia pantherdor It just says Ancient Iranian Lore. That's all it gives me. I'll do some internet research for exact dates and get back with you. I would say that is Zoroastrianism. An especially good study for anyone who believes in any of the Abramic faiths. The writings of those religions are all sprung from the earlier Sumerian mythologies, also good studies for those who adhere to Christianity, Judaic, or Islamic faiths. I will go and see if I can find a good online translate of some of those mythologies. :has a copy of the Necronomicon, which has some info about the Sumerian gods and mythology, but realy only enough for starting points.: The Necronomicon is a fictional book, not that I'm sure it doesn't have interesting information but it and the "Mad Arab" were created by Lovecraft for his whole Cthulu mythos. I wouldn't use that as a source at all for concrete information considering that. wrong, dear. there is, in fact, a book which is a published translation of a text which is a Greek translation of an Arabic text, which has as it's Title, "Necronomicon". it is nothing at all like the fictional evil book which H.P. Lovecraft describes, it is rather an ancient Grimoire. it has relevance primarily to the Moon-Based Religions of the Middle East predating the Kurdish Religions. Quote: The book claims to derive its content from Sumerian mythology- however it actually draws more from Babylonian mythology- and its introduction attempts to identify the fictional Great Old Ones (and other creatures introduced in Lovecraft's Mythos) with Gods and demons from Sumer-Babylonia. The tales presented in the book are a blend of Mesopotamian myths (not only Sumerian, but Akkadian, Babylonian and Assyrian as well), and a storyline of unknown authenticity about a man known as the "Mad Arab." The introduction to the book (comprising about 80 pages of a total of 263) is the only part that Simon indicates that he wrote. It relates how Simon and his associates were said to have been introduced to a copy of the Greek Necronomicon by a mysterious monk. The introduction also attempts to establish links between Lovecraft, Aleister Crowley and Babylonian mythology, as well as draw parallels to other religions (such as Christianity, Wicca, Satanism and Hebrew Mythology). Some of the discussion is based on ideas concerning the connection between Crowley and Lovecraft first put forward by Kenneth Grant. Included in the Simon Necronomicon is a story that is a variant of the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation epic. It relates how Marduk (Leader of the Elder Gods) slew Tiamat (Queen of the Ancient Ones), clove her body in two and created the Heaven and the Earth from the two halves. The Elder Gods also created mankind from the blood of Kingu (an Ancient One). If that's the one you're talking about, the one that wasn't 'discovered' until the 70's, it's still believed to be a hoax. There's been no evidence to back up it as genuine. If not, I'd be interested in which one it may actually be. There's been all sorts of hoaxes regarding the Necronomicon and then attempts to thwart the translation of actual myths to match the Cthulu mythos.
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Posted: Sun Oct 24, 2010 7:14 pm
Lateralus es Helica Chieftain Twilight Lateralus es Helica Chieftain Twilight Eltanin Sadachbia I would say that is Zoroastrianism. An especially good study for anyone who believes in any of the Abramic faiths. The writings of those religions are all sprung from the earlier Sumerian mythologies, also good studies for those who adhere to Christianity, Judaic, or Islamic faiths. I will go and see if I can find a good online translate of some of those mythologies. :has a copy of the Necronomicon, which has some info about the Sumerian gods and mythology, but realy only enough for starting points.: The Necronomicon is a fictional book, not that I'm sure it doesn't have interesting information but it and the "Mad Arab" were created by Lovecraft for his whole Cthulu mythos. I wouldn't use that as a source at all for concrete information considering that. wrong, dear. there is, in fact, a book which is a published translation of a text which is a Greek translation of an Arabic text, which has as it's Title, "Necronomicon". it is nothing at all like the fictional evil book which H.P. Lovecraft describes, it is rather an ancient Grimoire. it has relevance primarily to the Moon-Based Religions of the Middle East predating the Kurdish Religions. Quote: The book claims to derive its content from Sumerian mythology- however it actually draws more from Babylonian mythology- and its introduction attempts to identify the fictional Great Old Ones (and other creatures introduced in Lovecraft's Mythos) with Gods and demons from Sumer-Babylonia. The tales presented in the book are a blend of Mesopotamian myths (not only Sumerian, but Akkadian, Babylonian and Assyrian as well), and a storyline of unknown authenticity about a man known as the "Mad Arab." The introduction to the book (comprising about 80 pages of a total of 263) is the only part that Simon indicates that he wrote. It relates how Simon and his associates were said to have been introduced to a copy of the Greek Necronomicon by a mysterious monk. The introduction also attempts to establish links between Lovecraft, Aleister Crowley and Babylonian mythology, as well as draw parallels to other religions (such as Christianity, Wicca, Satanism and Hebrew Mythology). Some of the discussion is based on ideas concerning the connection between Crowley and Lovecraft first put forward by Kenneth Grant. Included in the Simon Necronomicon is a story that is a variant of the Enuma Elish, the Babylonian creation epic. It relates how Marduk (Leader of the Elder Gods) slew Tiamat (Queen of the Ancient Ones), clove her body in two and created the Heaven and the Earth from the two halves. The Elder Gods also created mankind from the blood of Kingu (an Ancient One). If that's the one you're talking about, the one that wasn't 'discovered' until the 70's, it's still believed to be a hoax. There's been no evidence to back up it as genuine. If not, I'd be interested in which one it may actually be. There's been all sorts of hoaxes regarding the Necronomicon and then attempts to thwart the translation of actual myths to match the Cthulu mythos. yes, that is teh one. I don't believe it is a hoax, I trust that it is genuine. there is another book, Dead Names: the dark history of the Necronomicon, which is Simon's testimony on the accusations. it is one part a narration of what happened, and one part a compilation of cited evidence of the validity of the Necronomicon. look it up, read it.
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:24 pm
I would have to agree with Lateralus on the Necronomicon thing. There is no evidence of any such book before Lovecraft's invention. There were 3 different books published about the same time in the 70's bearing the name "Necronomicon" but the book by "Simon" was the one rose to popularity.
There is a real problem when writers and/or publishers skew the origins of their books in order to create a gimmick. There is also a problem when people want to believe something so bad that they convince themselves and then others something is what it isn't...
...I say this because I remember when I was younger, my older brother's friends got into some of the recent (70's/80's recent) occult phenomenon. Every other book published claimed it was "newly discovered", not written. The guys got into some serious trouble for what they did in relation to those books. Years later, when I would find them, I would begin to study them and find a modge-podge of several different systems, and many of the safe guards having been voided for the sake of dramatic effect.
The bit I have read of the Necronomicon has suggested a similar sensationalistic frankenstiened approach to occultism, but to be honest, I have never read it all the way through.
That being said...
All texts, manuscripts, and books had to be new at one point in time or another. Just because it is of recent origin does not mean it cannot be significant. Who is to say that "Simon" didn't get a glimpse of the spiritual realms before he penned his version of the book.
There are also entities who will mold themselves to fit the terms and descriptions that hold no meaning initially, if said terms or descriptions are identifiable in the human mind. It is a tricky thing, that should be understood, not taken for granted. When people take things at face value, and don't take time to learn the truth, no matter how mundane, it opens a crack for the soul to become deceived (or further deceived).
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Posted: Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:05 pm
even if the "Simonomicon", as it has been jokingly called, was invented, the practicality is legitimate. the book Dead Names details tremendous correlations between all the different Faiths, religions, and Occult practices which draw from it, and the sources are all cited and referenced, so that you can go over the research yourself and see that that much is true.
that is why I am convinced. read Dead Names, that's all the evidence you'll need to know that the text is at least correct, even if not as "original" as claimed.
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