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`Akiko`

PostPosted: Sun May 23, 2010 10:37 pm


OKaay! So I stopped riding on Sundays because of my instructors schedule change. The barn owners (Mary and Doug) got a new instructor. I have met her, and shes really nice. She knows horses and she's a REALLY good rider.

On the other hand... I watched her teach a lesson and oh...my...lord. She sent a beginner over a jump without explaining how to release, or how to go into the correct two-point. stressed After that she said "When you come up to the jump lean forward" I shook my head.

My instructor is all about making sure horses are on the rail, in the corners ALL THE TIME. The new one however... The horses are EVERYWHERE. She was getting a group to canter and I could see an accident waiting to happen.

Enough rambling.

She now has an opinion on every horse. The horse I ride (Cimmaron) has a funny build, and yes she is a brat. But if shes actually ridden, then she will behave.

The new instructor however HATES Cimmaron. She doesnt have one good thing to say about her. My instructor got me to take her horse on trails while she was away. I walked out of the tack room and caught the instructor back talking Cimm.

She was going on how she counter bends (She doesnt for me) How her trot is weird. How shes built funny, and in her eyes shes not a good pony. I spoke up and said "Shes good for me. She doesnt counter bend, and who cares about her trot and build? She's well trained. You just havent seen her actually be ridden" She just stared at me.

Think I upset her?

She then said "Uhm, are we talking about the same horse? She misbehaves. I dont like people riding her" And I say "Why? Just because shes more difficult." My friend FINALLY spoke up and said "I have seen Karly ride her... And she does behave for her"

THEN she has the NERVE to say "Yeah, so Kelly (my instructor) is lending you Nikki (her horse) for the next 10 days. I say yes. And she says "Oh wow, I am afraid of lending my horses out just in case they come back ruined"

Me and my friend then left for our trail ride.
Am I over reacting? I just dont think she has the right to critize poor Cimmaron because she hasnt seen her being used to her full potential
PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 1:27 am


Sounds pretty unprofessional. And good riders don't always make good teachers. Often it's the opposite, if you're a naturally good rider, teaching is really difficult. It took me a long time to learn to break things down for people because I ride so much off of feel. She get better with time though, you never know.

As for her critique of Cimmaron, it could go a couple different ways. I give an honest assessment of horses that I see, but it doesn't mean I don't like them. One of the ponies at the barn I work at has posty legs, a short back, a short, bull neck that's set on top of her shoulder, no withers which makes saddle fitting nearly impossible, and crappy feet. She's also like an energizer bunny and has no sense of self-preservation when it comes to work. She gets frantic, she's easily distracted, herd-bound, and insecure. I love this little mare though. She's my personal favorite to ride (She's like a couch! And she's a workaholic, which I love.) She may be a little hot when I ride her, but with a little respect work, she's an angel on the ground, and she's a saint for the stuff that she puts up with during her lessons. I'm the only staff member currently who insists on proper saddle fit (and the flack I've gotten about that is part of why I'm leaving) so she goes regularly in saddles that fit her TERRIBLY. She's a hard fit, granted, but the western saddle that they like to put her in gouges into her withers. And she never complains. Her back is sore, but she never says so. Her riders can scream, wiggle, throw things at her, and she won't say a word. If they kick her, she gets nervous because she thinks she's being bad and doesn't know what to do. But that's understandable and I don't want my riders kicking their horses. (I don't want them screaming or throwing things either, but eh, it's the nature of the beast).

As a new instructor coming into a program it takes a while to get to know the horses. If you've seen several people ride a horse, and ridden them yourself, and observe a consistent misbehavior, it's not unreasonable to have a low opinion of them. A good horse person will allow the opinion to be flexible, however, and change as they observe different things. Another one of our mares, I really disliked when I first got here. I just didn't like her personality. We didn't get along. I still don't like to ride her myself, but she's one of the best therapy horses we have, and we've become friends. For one of my independent riders lessons, I actually have to sit on a mounting block at the end of the arena rather than stand out in the middle because the rider can't keep her from coming in to me looking for pets. Opinions change, and people grow.

I'm not saying you're overreacting necessarily, just to give her a little bit of time to adjust to a new place and keep an open mind. It's hard coming into an already established barn and learning all of the riders and horses.

AriaStarSong


`Akiko`

PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2010 11:03 am


I totally agree with you. Shes now been there fooor 5 months.

I remember when I came home from my show, she stared at me, then Cim and said "You guys took Cimmaron?!" And I said "Yeah, shes a good show pony" She looked at me as if I were lying stressed

End of vent.

Thanks for reading all of that.

I understand having opinions on different horses, but I feel as if shes trying to drive the kids away from riding her. I dont think thats right. Cim taught me A LOT. If given the chance, she could teach all the riders on Sunday a lot.

OKay. End of vent... NOW!
PostPosted: Sun May 30, 2010 8:26 pm


One of the instructors at the place my best friend works has a grudge against their fjord mare. She thinks she's a liability because she nipped a few leaders who weren't really paying attention to her. My friend diagnosed it as she was bored and liked their reactions when she nipped at them, so she upped her work level and did more mental work with her, as well as giving her leaders special instructions for her. She's fantastic now. This started last September and this instructor STILL refuses to use this mare in her lessons. Their director is probably going to have to give her an ultimatum for their next session because with balancing horse use, there's no choice anymore. This particular instructor shows about every sign of unprofessional behavior in the book though. It's a really really frustrating situation, and I'm sorry you're having to deal with it.

AriaStarSong


`Akiko`

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2010 11:29 pm


So I had my lesson today, while we were grooming, my instructor brought up the instructor on Sundays. She told us that a lot of the kids havent been going, there has only been like 5 showing up. There used to be 12 kids every Sunday (A lot I know, but they have a lot of horses)

I am personally not surprised. I think they used Cimmaron yesterday though. She decided that corners were the enemy. (This happens after a student lets her get away because the instructor doesnt give a damn if the horses are all over the place, the instructor should tell the student how to keep herr in corners sweatdrop )
PostPosted: Tue Jun 01, 2010 11:06 pm


Hm, the way I see it, you don't along with every person you meet so why should we get along with every horse we meet? Sometimes personalities clash. Though she should have the professionalism to overcome her own personal problems. Or she may not be comfortable enough with the horse to use her and is afraid of someone getting hurt. Since everyone is leaving the riding lessons it sounds like she isn't doing a very good job of teaching. You may be a bit biased since you love the horse.

I had a bad instructor once. Nothing I ever did was right I only made mistakes. After about a month I quit her lessons it must have a year before I wanted to get on a horse.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:35 pm


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My instructor is pretty awesome, and I trust her to never put me in a dangerous situation, or a situation she doesn't think I'm ready to handle (unlike the instructor who teaches me when I miss a lesson and need to go on Wednesdays. That instructor is perfectly fine I just don't know her as well as I do my main instructor, so I trust her less. She also has a tendency to focus on everyone else than me, but I understand that because I'm technically not her pupil.). So no complaints, except for the general they pay attention to me when I'm messing up, and when I'm really good they're focusing on someone else XD

But to Akiko: My instructor, Terri, said that it is rarely the horse that has done something wrong. It is always the rider. When she said this, I had replied "So, basically, to be a good rider, you have to be humble." and she agreed with me completely.

If that new instructor is blaming Cimmaron (I love the name, by the way) for everything, she's not a very good rider.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 7:57 pm


She is a good rider though. She just hasnt ridden Cim to see what Cim is like. She puts the kids on her, and then blames everything on poor Cimmaron.

She also doesnt like a another well known school pony there named Chester. Why? Because hes too slow. Hes fine once he gets going. Hes one of the most reliable horses there. He's the first horse I cantered on. He's spook free, GREAT on trails, and absolutely AMAZING with the young ones.

I'm not a huge fan of Chester. But I would still recommend him to any child. She just erks me.

`Akiko`


AriaStarSong

PostPosted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 12:50 am


While I agree that 99.99% of the time any disobedience can be attributed to rider error, especially in amateurs, there are certain horses that are not appropriate as school horses because of their sensitivity or because of certain habits. One of the mares where I used to work I LOVED to ride. She had the most amazing work ethic and she was like a little couch, I never put a saddle on her while we were schooling. She did great in leadline lessons as long as she had a leader who was attentive and who held her to a high standard, then she'd always rise to the occasion. She was, however, totally inappropriate for beginner independence riders because she was SO sensitive to leg and seat aids, was very forward thinking, and tries SO hard to please. So, although it's not her FAULT when she misbehaves, her behaviors still makes her an inappropriate lesson horse for that demographic of riders.

And, as a professional, I've met some horses that are just downright naughty, mean, or bad. They do exist. They're few and far between, and usually there's a story behind them that made them that way (though I do know a Swedish Warmblood mare that was a born with a hard mouth. I know the woman who bred her, and her girl who broke her and did her early training is a good friend of mine. Mare is just generally a brick.) so you could contribute it to past rider error I guess. But, just like there are some people that are nicer than others, there are some horses that are nicer than others. It does happen.

I don't think this is the case with Cim, by the way. She has obviously proved herself to be a good school pony most of the time, and even good ponies have bad days. One of the welsh crosses where I used to teach reared in class while I was leading him one day and there was literally nothing I could have done to prevent it. I'd seen it coming for a while, and had done everything in my power to curb it, but couldn't. He's a fantastic horse, just was in a bad mood that day. Not in pain, not upset about anything happening, just in a nasty mood. And yes, I can tell the difference.
I still think your instructor is being very unprofessional by putting so much prejudice against a horse that she hasn't even sat on. I at least ride the horses that I don't like (though that often doesn't change my opinion of them... sometimes it does. A lot of it has to do with getting to know them, figuring out their quirks, and learning where their niches are and how they're most useful.)
PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 6:24 pm


I don't understand how some instructors you'll learn how to ride only riding good horses.
It's the 'bad' ones that teach you everything you need to know! You'll never learn how to get any horse to bend the way you want if you're only on horses that bend perfectly every time you ask. You have to ride the ones to are bad at bending to learn how to make a horse move and look good!

PhantomTigre


AriaStarSong

PostPosted: Mon Jun 14, 2010 8:38 pm


PhantomTigre
I don't understand how some instructors you'll learn how to ride only riding good horses.
It's the 'bad' ones that teach you everything you need to know! You'll never learn how to get any horse to bend the way you want if you're only on horses that bend perfectly every time you ask. You have to ride the ones to are bad at bending to learn how to make a horse move and look good!
Yes and no.

I personally prefer to start a student on a "perfect" horse so that they can learn what it's supposed to feel like, and get that instant gratification if their aids are correct. Schoolmasters have a huge place in this. Once you have those concepts though, I think you should move to a more difficult horse that will actually teach you to ride, not just equitate.

Granted, I've never had the luxury of the perfect school master to teach on... a good instructor should also be able to read their horses well enough to be able to help the student through a problem, no matter how inexperienced they are. It's possible to sort of, ride the horse through your student, if you're good enough at explaining things. Even the most beginner rider can be walked through a maneuver with a good enough instructor.

I do not however, in general, like the green horse/green rider scenario. I don't think it's fair to either individual to be taught by someone who doesn't know what they're doing. It does work out sometimes, and I mean no offense to anyone who did start that way, but I don't think it's the best situation.
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