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Aakosir

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:20 pm


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Eltanin Sadachbia
A full out hysterectomy isn't necessary, a simple tubal would be all that was needed to keep her from having kids...

Just because a law isn't on the books, doesn't mean it shouldn't be. Just because laws are on the books doesn't mean it should be, either.

I don't think that having children is a right. I think it's a responsibility. People who do not live up to their responsibilities get them taken away. If a driver violates their responsibilities behind the wheel, then they get their license taken. I think having kids is more serious than driving, but that's my opinion.

If having kids was a basic human right, then SS wouldn't be able to go in and take kids away from parents who were mistreating or neglecting them.

If a woman is going to continually be getting pregnant, and then aborting, pawning off, or neglecting her children, then she doesn't have any reason to be fertile in the first place. She is a drain on the system, and a danger to herself and the children she produces.


While I agree her fertility isn't a right, her body is considered her property. She has a right to her property. If I recall correctly it's part of the grounds for legal abortion.


True, but I think you would be able to convince women like this to go through with tube tying. I mean seriously, do you want to keep popping babies out every 9 months only to have them taken away???


The issue is about sterilization, not about if it's ok to keep popping out babies. You made no indication the issue was convincing her of anything outside of a possible court order (your premise for the debate is too vague to make heads or tails of much). Moreover convincing an individual of sterilization is a far cry from reasonable proof for compulsory sterilization. So the issue is if it's ethical to force sterilization and does the state have a right to make someone stop reproducing.


I don't know what the situation is. I'm not sure if my sister even knows. And my point about having so many kids is that it is not fair to the kids.
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:34 pm


the only solution i can really think of is: she's willing to adopt them out, and there's lots of adults who can't have children but want them, so you can meet a need there, and it's probably loads cheaper and fairly easier to adopt american children than go to china or guatamala or something like that (i don't know really. i'm just assuming), so that covers that need. and i don't have a lot of details on this woman, but is she doing damaging things to herself WHILE she's pregnant, like heavy drugs or drinking or anything in that category? if she isn't, and it's like she's just mentally ill or got ptsd (which goes beyond war), then it might be ok to let her just carry out the pregnancies and adopt them out, but if she is doing damaging stuff, i think she should be sterilized for the sake of the children she'd concieve.

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:44 pm


If you don't know what the topic is, you can't debate what's fair for the children. You and I have to know what there is to discuss let alone debate.


I agree, Eltanin, it would probably be easier if it was offered to both sexes rather than one (which is usually the case). Or even equal criteria for compulsory sterilization for both sexes would be some boon.

Death row is one of those where if we accept John Locke on this issue, is to ensure the safety of the society. I don't really understand how compulsory sterilization fulfills that role save stopping babies from one person. It's like sterilizing pets as they enter an animal shelter. It doesn't reduce the stray pet population, just reduces the one pet's ability...unless they have a trap-and-release program.
PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2010 9:46 pm


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the only solution i can really think of is: she's willing to adopt them out, and there's lots of adults who can't have children but want them, so you can meet a need there, and it's probably loads cheaper and fairly easier to adopt american children than go to china or guatamala or something like that (i don't know really. i'm just assuming), so that covers that need. and i don't have a lot of details on this woman, but is she doing damaging things to herself WHILE she's pregnant, like heavy drugs or drinking or anything in that category? if she isn't, and it's like she's just mentally ill or got ptsd (which goes beyond war), then it might be ok to let her just carry out the pregnancies and adopt them out, but if she is doing damaging stuff, i think she should be sterilized for the sake of the children she'd concieve.


But like Eltanin said, having children is a responsibility. And this woman is not being responsible, either way. I do not know if she is a drug user. I'll ask my sister and see if she knows anything more.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 15, 2010 1:02 pm


Okay so I have a little bit more information. My sister doesn't really know the whole story.

This woman is obviously a drug addict. She has no health insurance and she has five other children who are in foster homes. She was supposed to set an appointment for a C section, but, of course, did not because she has no insurance. she went in to labor and needed an emergency C section. Talk about screwing the tax payers. So the woman had the baby, who my sisters friend adopted, and then she wanted to nurse the baby. I'm sorry, but I do not think that was appropriate. She is already a drug user, so I would think that any drugs she uses could be passed through breastfeeding, as well as in the womb [which is proven}. The woman was goin to lose her baby in two days due to the adoption. She wanted an open adoption, which is fine with me, but since she is a drug user the adoptive mother does not want the child to know much about her true mother.
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