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 Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:12 pm
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:36 pm
Um, Kevin ... technically speaking, if the National Day of Prayer is advocated or sponsored by the government ... then it is a violation of the law, and should be removed. And frankly, in my usually-humble opinion, Christians should be wary of the Day of Prayer.
No, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the base concept. If a bunch of denominations or churches want to team up and proclaim this as the national day of prayer, that's fine. They can even call it "national"; no worries there. Hey, if the comics industry can team up to celebrate the first Saturday in May ... the churches ought to be at least half as organized.
But ... the government can't push any given religion or belief system (including basic deism). If they can, then it's only a matter of time before they start to decide which faiths they'll advocate ... then which they'll sponsor ... then which they'll permit. Whoever isn't approved by Uncle Sam ends up outlawed, and whoever is approved is basically under their control.
Nobody's talking about outlawing prayer. They're simply talking about removing the goverment's influence in our religion.
And again, that's if the NDoP is government-mandated. I've never been too clear on that one myself.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:44 pm
The separation of church and state isn't about saying that governors or politicians can't follow religions as they choose, or allowing it to influence their decisions. It's about the government not establishing a religion itself. That doesn't mean it can't be influenced by one.
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Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 5:50 pm
Xiterrose The separation of church and state isn't about saying that governors or politicians can't follow religions as they choose, or allowing it to influence their decisions. It's about the government not establishing a religion itself. That doesn't mean it can't be influenced by one. Ah, but can it influence an existing religion? That's the point I'm getting at. I believe if they can, they will. And that's to be dreaded. Individual politicians are permitted to be religious; sure, no problem. But when the government overall decides to be religious, we're in trouble.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:40 pm
Yeah, it can work out in a good or bad way, and when the government is involved it almost always goes the latter.
I think we need more political figures who are real Christians and who have conservative values.
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 12:59 pm
Xiterrose I think we need more political figures who are real Christians and who have conservative values. Spoken like a true Southern Baptist. wink
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Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:08 pm
Absolutely. If I had the financial backing, I might just consider politics later on. xp
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:24 pm
I may be totaly in left field but the government HAS established and promoted a religion, evolution so we all know the gov has trodden all over the constitution. (yes trodden is a word even if it is spelled wrong and i am too lazy to google it razz )
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ThesmilingchocoboofGOD Crew
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2010 12:42 pm
No, you spelled it correctly ... and I guess I should clarify "religion". I was thinking more along the lines of "conventional forms of worship and specific deities".
But, yeah ... evolution can be considered a doctrine under the Cult of Science. xp Unfortunately, since CoS doesn't admit it's a religion ... neither does anybody else.
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:22 am
Dragonbait Xiterrose The separation of church and state isn't about saying that governors or politicians can't follow religions as they choose, or allowing it to influence their decisions. It's about the government not establishing a religion itself. That doesn't mean it can't be influenced by one. Ah, but can it influence an existing religion? That's the point I'm getting at. I believe if they can, they will. And that's to be dreaded. Individual politicians are permitted to be religious; sure, no problem. But when the government overall decides to be religious, we're in trouble. I hope I do not offend you, but do you as a Christian, honestly believe that a government can effectively govern outside the influence of and belief in God? I mean, I understand where you are coming from, and I agree that the current trends in government would end in control of religion. But if we had a government truly led by God things would be better.
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 8:40 am
Elysa Roxorbilly Dragonbait Xiterrose The separation of church and state isn't about saying that governors or politicians can't follow religions as they choose, or allowing it to influence their decisions. It's about the government not establishing a religion itself. That doesn't mean it can't be influenced by one. Ah, but can it influence an existing religion? That's the point I'm getting at. I believe if they can, they will. And that's to be dreaded. Individual politicians are permitted to be religious; sure, no problem. But when the government overall decides to be religious, we're in trouble. I hope I do not offend you, but do you as a Christian, honestly believe that a government can effectively govern outside the influence of and belief in God? I mean, I understand where you are coming from, and I agree that the current trends in government would end in control of religion. But if we had a government truly led by God things would be better. Oh, no, no; no offense is taken. To me, there's a difference between God taking charge of a government and a government trying to be led by God. The first, a true theocracy, is what the Hebrews had during the time of Moses ... and it's what we'll all get when Christ returns. I'm all in favor of that ... but again, we have to wait for the Second Coming. The second ... is inherently flawed, because it's still humans in charge. They just use God as an excuse for what they do. It's the same as pretty much any religion-based nation, down through the centuries. And need I point out what some of them have done?
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Posted: Tue May 18, 2010 6:01 am
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