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 Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 10:34 pm
That is correct, Kunzite did turn Ami into Darkury, but if you watched Act 36 on SPOILER Beryl killed Nephrite in front of others. In Act 37 he found himself in an underground parking lot alive and a normal person. Motoki found him and offer him work at Crown. Act 37 + Final Act. Every time he sees Ami, he has flash backs of the time when she was Darkury and showed him kindness after Beryl banished him from her sight. Also repaired his cape when he and Kunzite had a fight over her (which lead him to get banished to begin with and he failures of course) Kunzite was basically using her as a pawn for his sadistic pleasures. END SPOILER!
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Posted: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:24 pm
Ah, I feel like Zoicite didn't have any meaning in PGSM. I never understood anything he said. All he did was play piano and bow down to Mamoru.
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Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2010 12:37 am
Besides trying to make everyone remember their past life and not serve Beryl? He was in charge of "killing the princess" thus stalking Minako/Venus a lot til they found out that Usagi was the "true' princess. Even he didn't have a solemn purpose/duty. He was er.... better not go into fan girl mode....
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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2010 5:29 pm
I consider it unfairness but it could also stem from that whole 'girl power' bit too.
I admit, the Shitennou in PGSM, Manga and in some of the Musicals are probably my favorite.
*fans* Especially that Kunzite.
PGSM was far more satisfying in the way it presented the Shitennou. Each was more unique and have rather unforgettable personalities.
Zoicite's need to find the Prince, undermind Beryl and kill the Princess who, in their point of view, started it all. As opposed to Kunzite who was clearly the closest to Endymion but felt betrayed by him-ultimately felt guilty about the other Shitennou's death.
Jadeite being almost innocently cute with Beryl and how he fell for her-another one sided love.
Nephrite's almost hilariously angry and..well him and Mercury's relationship was quite interesting.
Beryl's still rather bittersweet even though she seems more like a puppet then not.
And the Prince himself is definitely fitting for PGSM Mamoru.
Heck, even my usual dislike for ..Serenity's line makes it almost cute.
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On the other hand, I find it very appalling how things turned out for everyone.
Makoto and Mamoru losing their parents so young- one suffering from amensia.
Rei losing her mother and has a somewhat cold relationship with her father who left her with her mother's father.
Minako cursed and having to grow up faster.
Ami's parents divorced and not really having a relationship with her father.
Hotaru-gods..poor Hotaru...Everyone knows what happened there.
Haruka, Michiru and Setsuna get to suffer alone at their stations or given the hardest tasks.
And even Chibiusa- I do not care much for her. - ends up being isolated much of the time.
^
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In comparison to Usagi's great life. She has both parents. Is more or less well liked. She's got a bratty yet loving little brother. Her parents are pretty good to her. The only time she -really- suffers is being a sailor senshi. Otherwise she would've probably have kept living her life and maybe never really interact with any of the others.
Frankly my dears, I find -that- unfair. >>;
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 6:35 am
Yeah, I found it strange how Usagi was basically the perfect Mary sue while the rest were pretty much angsty/loner sues/stus.
Minako's family is basically the same copy as Usagi's, only expect that she doesn't have a brother, and her mother is way more bitchier than Usagi's. probably why they didn't show her family in pretty guardian sailor moon.... it wouldn't had made sense for Minako's mother to be that hard on Minako when she was like a Super Idol. razz
At least Mamoru had an adoptive family, you know? But he basically chose to be an loner, not even attempting to be close to them or something. I actually feel sorry for his adoptive parents.... adopting a son only for that son to be cold to you. ^^;;
Rei.... I understand where she's coming from. She choose not to be close with her father, mainly because her father was an politician who found his career to be far more important than family. He didn't come to see his sick wife or child at all during the time when Rei needed him the most.
To me, that's almost akin to John McCain who cheated on his crippled wife. and then outright refusing to stay at home with her and the children when she asked to be with him because the doctors thought she might have cancer. He thought his career was far more important over his own wife, and in the end obviously didn't care much for her.... it was later found out that he basically only got married because it would bring in more voters for him. later on he got divorced and then married an hotter, younger woman. True story.
That's why I hate McCain... and if Rei's politician father was anything like McCain, then no wonder why Rei loathed her father with a passion and chose to work/live with her grandfather at the temple.
Ami... I think she seems to be rather happy... considering that the divorce most likely happened a long time ago and she got over it. Her father sends her pictures, postcards, etc... from all over the world. Yeah, that's not much of a relationship but to Ami this shows that her father thinks of her at times.
I actually find her relationship the most realstic out of them all...
considering that my own situation is actually pretty similar too~! My own mother works in hospitals too, you see. razz My mom's a very busy nurse who has to be on call at all hours, even in the middle of the night should there be an emergency where she's needed.
And like with Ami's parents, this busy lifestyle of having a medical-related job AND having a kid didn't really lead to having any inmaticy or time with their spouses. This lead to them drifting apart, and then peacefully agreeing to a divorce since there was nothing between them anymore.
There was no trauma or anything like that in my situation, and it appears to have been the same for Ami.... because there was no fighting or anything. just rational discussions about it as an family, etc.... and then separating to move on with their lives.
This kind of peace doesn't happen often with divorces, but it does happen in real life. Why does all Divorces have to be unhappy.... it doesn't have to be?
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:43 am
Aykura Moon Yeah, I found it strange how Usagi was basically the perfect Mary sue while the rest were pretty much angsty/loner sues/stus. I think Usagi is what people class as a Purity Sue in a lot of respects. I was going to say that she at least has a character flaw - being childish - but then I realized that it doesn't actually count, since childish behavior is eroticized in Japan. Does her intense dislike of studying actually count as a character flaw?
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:48 am
Aykura Moon Yeah, I found it strange how Usagi was basically the perfect Mary sue while the rest were pretty much angsty/loner sues/stus. Minako's family is basically the same copy as Usagi's, only expect that she doesn't have a brother, and her mother is way more bitchier than Usagi's. probably why they didn't show her family in pretty guardian sailor moon.... it wouldn't had made sense for Minako's mother to be that hard on Minako when she was like a Super Idol. razz At least Mamoru had an adoptive family, you know? But he basically chose to be an loner, not even attempting to be close to them or something. I actually feel sorry for his adoptive parents.... adopting a son only for that son to be cold to you. ^^;; Rei.... I understand where she's coming from. She choose not to be close with her father, mainly because her father was an politician who found his career to be far more important than family. He didn't come to see his sick wife or child at all during the time when Rei needed him the most. To me, that's almost akin to John McCain who cheated on his crippled wife. and then outright refusing to stay at home with her and the children when she asked to be with him because the doctors thought she might have cancer. He thought his career was far more important over his own wife, and in the end obviously didn't care much for her.... it was later found out that he basically only got married because it would bring in more voters for him. later on he got divorced and then married an hotter, younger woman. True story. That's why I hate McCain... and if Rei's politician father was anything like McCain, then no wonder why Rei loathed her father with a passion and chose to work/live with her grandfather at the temple. Ami... I think she seems to be rather happy... considering that the divorce most likely happened a long time ago and she got over it. Her father sends her pictures, postcards, etc... from all over the world. Yeah, that's not much of a relationship but to Ami this shows that her father thinks of her at times. I actually find her relationship the most realstic out of them all... considering that my own situation is actually pretty similar too~! My own mother works in hospitals too, you see. razz My mom's a very busy nurse who has to be on call at all hours, even in the middle of the night should there be an emergency where she's needed. And like with Ami's parents, this busy lifestyle of having a medical-related job AND having a kid didn't really lead to having any inmaticy or time with their spouses. This lead to them drifting apart, and then peacefully agreeing to a divorce since there was nothing between them anymore. There was no trauma or anything like that in my situation, and it appears to have been the same for Ami.... because there was no fighting or anything. just rational discussions about it as an family, etc.... and then separating to move on with their lives. This kind of peace doesn't happen often with divorces, but it does happen in real life. Why does all Divorces have to be unhappy.... it doesn't have to be? Actually, Sailor V came along -before- Sailor Moon. Therefore Usagi's parents are actually a copy of -Minako's- parents. However Sailor V was finished after the Sailor Moon Manga was done. Anime wise- Ami actually is fond of her father. Manga wise- Ami is resentful a bit about the whole thing. This divorce issue mainly has to do with the culture of Japan and how divorce is seen. PGSM wise: Ami in this.. I don't know. I have to rewatch it, but it doesn't really mention her father much. if at all. Well, Minako's life got crappy especially with the fact that she had a life threatening disease. I find it shocking that her parents weren't ever mentioned. Mamoru wasn't really adopted so much as he was sponsored. This can happen, and usually it happens to rather talented/bright people. Mamoru's portrayed as being very intelligent (Have to be to get into Harvard and all.). Besides, as a kid he did promise that chick he would marry her when they grew up even when, later on he knew he didn't love her. He felt he owed them something. How is that ungrateful? Besides, Mamoru's probably a typical guy. After all, even with amnesia I would think it would be hard to form some sort of attachment for a while or to hold everything at arms length in fear it'll disappear too. He did what he thought would be best for the situation. -- Just yeah, Usagi is a Purity Sue. Even her Daughter cannot claim that.
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:39 pm
The whole Hina thing in the PGSM was an extra to the plot. It never did happen in the manga. Situations vary from different variations of Sailor Moon.
Ami in PGSM her father wasn't mention. But it seem Ami respected her mother a lot that she wanted to follow in her footsteps. Later in the series, she got in trouble and ran away because of her mother wanting her to transfer schools. It seems that her mother is strict, and barely knows what her daughter that well. They eventually made peace and was happy that Ami had good friends.
Rei is the same thing in the manga.
Minako parents were never mentioned at all. We just see her living in an apartment or other places alone with Artemis.
Makoto same thing in the manga. Parents died in a plane crash and is some how living on her own.
Also, Usagi's dad is mentioned, but we don't see him cause he is busy being a reporter. We do see him at Usagi's wedding.
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Posted: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:17 pm
I would think the fact that Usagi's basically dumb as a brick, and extremely clumsy to count as her character flaws.
The other flaw that might count is that she's very extremely possessive of her boyfriend and is easily jealous.... may stem from insecurity.
but that insecurity could be justified, as seeing Marmoru does have a tendency to become brainwashed easily by every evil lady that comes by, and becoming their "arm eye-candy". There was also the fact that he dated Rei for a while in the anime, and then hina in pretty guardian sailor moon. So yeah, he gets around, both in free will and against his will.
As for the comment about Marmoru not being ungrateful.... okay, so he was just sponsored in the live action. however in the anime and manga he was adopted.... and he barely mentions the adoptive parents at all. = you've got to wonder why.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 4:46 am
Aykura Moon I would think the fact that Usagi's basically dumb as a brick, and extremely clumsy to count as her character flaws. The other flaw that might count is that she's very extremely possessive of her boyfriend and is easily jealous.... may stem from insecurity. but that insecurity could be justified, as seeing Marmoru does have a tendency to become brainwashed easily by every evil lady that comes by, and becoming their "arm eye-candy". There was also the fact that he dated Rei for a while in the anime, and then hina in pretty guardian sailor moon. So yeah, he gets around, both in free will and against his will. As for the comment about Marmoru not being ungrateful.... okay, so he was just sponsored in the live action. however in the anime and manga he was adopted.... and he barely mentions the adoptive parents at all. = you've got to wonder why. I think you've got your facts wrong. Mamoru was -never- adopted in any of the adaptions. He just went through the system like most people tend to do. He most likely lived off his inheirtance from his family when he reached a certain age. If he -had- it would've been mentioned even in passing. The Outers, Uranus and Neptune at least mention that they were sponsored to be able to live in those high-priced places. Mamoru would've at least mentioned it at least once. Therefore the assumption is, he's A. Living off his inheirtance/working (He works hard for his grades as we can see. The school he attends in the Manga is a extremely selective =only around 300-400 students are ever given entrance into it's doors.) In the Anime it's shown that he's working often. Also in the anime, he's at least 19-20 years old. Obviously if he had adoptive parents it would've been mentioned in the storyline. B. He's being sponsored. What HAS been seen is an old photograph of is -actual- parents. But no one ever sees their faces or when we do-in any of the mediums- they're too far away/chibi-like to make out real distinctions. In addition, he never really actually 'dated Rei'. Rei just happened to always attach herself to him whenever he's around. I wager it's just like with Hina. Minus the obligation, he probably saw Rei as something of a cute annoying girl. (by the way, Rei's personality was completely warped in the anime. She doesn't even like guys due to an issue she had with her father's Secertary. She loved him and he saw her like a kid sister.) The Hina thing was due to the plot. It makes him a far more well rounded person in the PGSM. PGSM is the -only- version where he was never brainwashed. He also wasn't brainwashed in the first part of the Anime Season R. He wasn't brainwashed in Super or SuperS. <- In the anime AND manga. It was only done -three- times and the circumstances in each of those times have good reasons. Anime: First season. It's the first season. It's a stragetic move of obviousness. Plus, he techincally was dying. Second part of R. Again same as the first. But obviously this didn't happen in the anime and it's only shown as a vision. The first part of Stars, obviousness again. To break Usagi down, what do you do first? You kill the lover. Then take the friends. No body complains at how many times the Sol senshi themselves -die- repeatedly by the same ploys. Manga Verse- First season: Obviousness there. Plus, he techincally was dying here. Second season: Well, yeah. Chibiusa's love for her father was perverted and twisted by Wiseman. So yeah, she'd totally do it and also becaus it hurts our poor Heroine Sue, Usagi. Nothing happens for -two- seasons. Final season in stars. Well, he died. Good move on Galaxia's part. Control the starseed, control the Planet. He like the OTHER Sol senshi who were -killed- by her and the Animates were brought back under Sailor Galaxia's power and were battling against Sailor Moon. All were killed/sacrificed. In what part of that was he arm candy for -every- villianess? There were four that can hold that title. Beryl,Black Lady, Nehellenia and Galaxia. That's if you count Anime and Manga and you can't even say PGSM. Without counting the Anime, Mamoru was only put through the ringer Three times. And those reasons -were- valid. If the situation was turned around, it would've been perfectly acceptable, I wager. Then again, lets count how many times the Sailor senshi as a whole have been captured/killed/made out to turn against Usagi shall we? And in defense of Usagi herself. ... I have nothing to say about the Anime version. I despise her anime version. Her Manga version self-which I consider a more true version- she's not dumb. Actually she's quite intellegent and has acted more mature than the dumbed down Anime version of herself. PGSM, she's a typical teenager with some mature moments. It makes her almost cute and realistic. So.. yeah, that's my stand on it. But really, where in the world have you heard that Mamoru's been adopted?
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 6:41 am
Aykura Moon I would think the fact that Usagi's basically dumb as a brick, and extremely clumsy to count as her character flaws. In the manga, Usagi wasn't shown as nearly so stupid. Also, clumsiness does not count as a character flaw. Quote: The other flaw that might count is that she's very extremely possessive of her boyfriend and is easily jealous.... may stem from insecurity. That would tie into her childish behavior, which may not count as a character flaw seeing as how that sort of thing is eroticized in Japan.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:37 pm
ah, you're right about mamoru. It's been a while since I owned the Manga.... many volumes went missing, so it became useless to me. sad
Anyway, it's often a popular misconception amongst fans that Marmoru is adopted.... it's mentioned on a lot of websites that has his "shrine" site.
when it came to usagi, I was speaking more about her anime counterpart being too dumb to live, than I was about the Manga counterpart. obviously we all know that the Manga tended to be more serious and more mature than the anime, and as an result Usagi obviously would be more intelligent in that.
However in the Manga it did show that the reason why she got such low grades was because she hated school/studying, and wasn't motivated enough until she discovered that she would be left behind while her friends would move up without her.
only then did she apply herself and get grades high enough to pass.
so laziness and lack of personal motivation could be a character flaw there... you have to actually get her to do things by giving her valid good reasons such as: "If you don't do that or that, you're going to lose your friends.", etc. otherwise she just goofs off.
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 7:43 pm
Aykura Moon Ami... I think she seems to be rather happy... considering that the divorce most likely happened a long time ago and she got over it. Her father sends her pictures, postcards, etc... from all over the world. Yeah, that's not much of a relationship but to Ami this shows that her father thinks of her at times. I actually find her relationship the most realstic out of them all... considering that my own situation is actually pretty similar too~! My own mother works in hospitals too, you see. razz My mom's a very busy nurse who has to be on call at all hours, even in the middle of the night should there be an emergency where she's needed. And like with Ami's parents, this busy lifestyle of having a medical-related job AND having a kid didn't really lead to having any inmaticy or time with their spouses. This lead to them drifting apart, and then peacefully agreeing to a divorce since there was nothing between them anymore. There was no trauma or anything like that in my situation, and it appears to have been the same for Ami.... because there was no fighting or anything. just rational discussions about it as an family, etc.... and then separating to move on with their lives. This kind of peace doesn't happen often with divorces, but it does happen in real life. Why does all Divorces have to be unhappy.... it doesn't have to be?
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Posted: Sat Apr 17, 2010 8:23 pm
How is that we always get off topic. I was talking about the Tennous not Sailor Moon or any other senshis gonk
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