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 Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:00 pm
freelance lover rmcdra freelance lover rmcdra The solution I see would be to separate legal and religious marriages. Where legal marriage is something regulated by the State conveying the benefits of marriage to married couples and religious marriage is run by religion conveying whatever benefits or recognitions a religious organization gives to married people completely independent from legal marriagee. Well if it's any hope there's a number of Episcopal preists I know personally that want this as well Catholics have Gay Bishops too, they just lie about it. =w=
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:25 pm
Chieftain Twilight freelance lover rmcdra freelance lover rmcdra The solution I see would be to separate legal and religious marriages. Where legal marriage is something regulated by the State conveying the benefits of marriage to married couples and religious marriage is run by religion conveying whatever benefits or recognitions a religious organization gives to married people completely independent from legal marriagee. Well if it's any hope there's a number of Episcopal preists I know personally that want this as well Catholics have Gay Bishops too, they just lie about it. =w= Actually they do acknowledge this. The issue that Catholicism has with gay is not really the attraction anymore, since current knowledge states that homosexual attraction is normal. The issue they have is action on that attraction and having homosexual sex since they consider it a perversion of natural order due to them believing that the primary purpose of sexuality it to create life. This probably stems back to Hebrew mysticism that saw sexual acts as a way of imitating God's creative power thus wasting that creative power was seen as profaning a divine gift. Not saying that I agree with their stance but I do see why they teach what they do.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 10:30 pm
rmcdra Chieftain Twilight freelance lover rmcdra freelance lover rmcdra The solution I see would be to separate legal and religious marriages. Where legal marriage is something regulated by the State conveying the benefits of marriage to married couples and religious marriage is run by religion conveying whatever benefits or recognitions a religious organization gives to married people completely independent from legal marriagee. Well if it's any hope there's a number of Episcopal preists I know personally that want this as well Catholics have Gay Bishops too, they just lie about it. =w= Actually they do acknowledge this. The issue that Catholicism has with gay is not really the attraction anymore, since current knowledge states that homosexual attraction is normal. The issue they have is action on that attraction and having homosexual sex since they consider it a perversion of natural order due to them believing that the primary purpose of sexuality it to create life. This probably stems back to Hebrew mysticism that saw sexual acts as a way of imitating God's creative power thus wasting that creative power was seen as profaning a divine gift. Not saying that I agree with their stance but I do see why they teach what they do. obviously, my knowledge is outdated. sweatdrop
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:25 pm
Chieftain Twilight rmcdra Chieftain Twilight freelance lover rmcdra Well if it's any hope there's a number of Episcopal preists I know personally that want this as well Catholics have Gay Bishops too, they just lie about it. =w= Actually they do acknowledge this. The issue that Catholicism has with gay is not really the attraction anymore, since current knowledge states that homosexual attraction is normal. The issue they have is action on that attraction and having homosexual sex since they consider it a perversion of natural order due to them believing that the primary purpose of sexuality it to create life. This probably stems back to Hebrew mysticism that saw sexual acts as a way of imitating God's creative power thus wasting that creative power was seen as profaning a divine gift. Not saying that I agree with their stance but I do see why they teach what they do. obviously, my knowledge is outdated. sweatdrop If you'd like I can post a section of the Catechism on Homosexuality.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:26 pm
rmcdra Chieftain Twilight rmcdra Chieftain Twilight freelance lover rmcdra Well if it's any hope there's a number of Episcopal preists I know personally that want this as well Catholics have Gay Bishops too, they just lie about it. =w= Actually they do acknowledge this. The issue that Catholicism has with gay is not really the attraction anymore, since current knowledge states that homosexual attraction is normal. The issue they have is action on that attraction and having homosexual sex since they consider it a perversion of natural order due to them believing that the primary purpose of sexuality it to create life. This probably stems back to Hebrew mysticism that saw sexual acts as a way of imitating God's creative power thus wasting that creative power was seen as profaning a divine gift. Not saying that I agree with their stance but I do see why they teach what they do. obviously, my knowledge is outdated. sweatdrop If you'd like I can post a section of the Catechism on Homosexuality. i'd love that. whee heart
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:39 pm
Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. The summary is, that homosexual sex is against what we teach to be the natural order, the attraction can't be controlled so other Catholics shouldn't dog them for it, homosexual individuals should try to what is needed so they don't act on those urges. It should also be noted that while they view homosexual sex as a sin, it is a venal sin as opposed to a mortal sin, meaning they see that it will keep you in purgatory longer but not bad enough to rob someone of their salvation and prevent you from getting to Heaven.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 11:43 pm
rmcdra Catechism of the Catholic Church 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. The summary is, that homosexual sex is against what we teach to be the natural order, the attraction can't be controlled so other Catholics shouldn't dog them for it, homosexual individuals should try to what is needed so they don't act on those urges. It should also be noted that while they view homosexual sex as a sin, it is a venal sin as opposed to a mortal sin, meaning they see that it will keep you in purgatory longer but not bad enough to rob someone of their salvation and prevent you from getting to Heaven. hm... interesting... o.o
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Posted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 2:21 am
Isn't marriage really more of a legally binding contract? The only religious part of marriage I've ever seen was the ceremony. As it is the same for many other countries and religions. Marriage dosen't belong to 1 religion or 1 part of the world.
So is it really a big deal if someone you don't know breaks vows or gets married outside of your religion?
If someone whose gay goes and gets married by doing no more then signing paper bother me?
Well why get mad?
If anyone has a wedding ceremony outside their religion, would it make sence to get mad? A little, if I take it as an insult.
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