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 Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:34 am
Moonlight_HuangHou Grr..still can't find it!!
What I remember is that he was caught b/c what he would do is take the kids and leave to another area or nearby room? But it must not be far from patients. The baby he was caught molesting. They heard her screaming and that's how they found him out.
They also found out he did it to lots of other kids too.
SO DISGUSTING! He deserves to get em cut off.
It's so sad for the baby.
Grrrrr..... stressed I could think of worse things done to him. twisted One thing I know about prison: the people there don't like *****! He's gonna be an a**b**** when they finally get him in there! *And he totally deserves it*
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:40 am
Black_Angel_Flowne Moonlight_HuangHou Grr..still can't find it!!
What I remember is that he was caught b/c what he would do is take the kids and leave to another area or nearby room? But it must not be far from patients. The baby he was caught molesting. They heard her screaming and that's how they found him out.
They also found out he did it to lots of other kids too.
SO DISGUSTING! He deserves to get em cut off.
It's so sad for the baby.
Grrrrr..... stressed I could think of worse things done to him. twisted One thing I know about prison: the people there don't like *****! He's gonna be an a**b**** when they finally get him in there! *And he totally deserves it*
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Moonlight_HuangHou Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 6:46 am
amen to that! Else I might have to raid a couple of jail cells twisted twisted twisted
Hmm? Didn't know that one word had to be censored. Sorry about that! sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:15 am
1) That woman should be fired. Honestly, there is just no excuse for that level of incompitence in the medical field.
Kinda sounds like the rest of the staff needs the boot too.
2) No.
I'm pretty much against any punishments other then jailtime and the occasional death penalty. Since it took some hard work getting the legal system too it's current (although still majorly flawed) better state.
I just get paranoid that punishing people in such a physical way would just end up escalating until it again reaches a point where stealing will cost you your hand, extreme example but eh. I just don't trust mankind to stop before reaching extremes.
Also there have been so many cases of people falsely being accused of rape, especialy child molestation that the possibilty of ruining an innocent persons live like that would be unforgivable.
I am however in favour of lengthening jail sentances.
Especialy here in Iceland.
Since no matter how proud I am of my nationality I always feel a deep sence of shame when I think about our legal system.
It tends to be harsh on theft and silly things like "That guy totaly called me a bad name in that newspaper D'= )
Then it's like "Well the victime gets ridicoulus amount of money and the criminal shall spend the next few years in jail"
But when it comes to serious crimes like rape?
Most rape victims in Iceland don't bother making charges simply because It's just not worth the emotional trauma,
the best they can really hope for is for the rapist to go away for a few months before getting out on parole and possibly having to pay the victim some small amount of money.
An childhood friend of mine, who was my best friend before I moved away got raped about two years ago. She never reported it, I tried convincing her of it but she pretty much won that argument with this statement "He knows my name, his friends know my name, he'lll be gone for a few months at best but most likely not even that"
It's a small country so hiding from him would be pointless. Rape victims here don't even get the time too pull themselfs together and heal before the rapist is back on the streets.
***** also have it incredibly easy over here.
They get back on the streets in no time, there was a case I remember where a man was being charged for raping his foster daughter since she was about 8 years old, she was 12 when she reported the abuse and the man only went away for about a year, after which the girl would once again be in his custody.
Another case that sickened me were a a couple of men that recently moved to Iceland that just got arrested for bringing a girl too the country against her will with the intention of renting her out, according to the newspaper they had been doing this to her for several years and had been planning on continuins subjecting that poor woman too that here as well.
I think they got about a year or two sentance.
Icelands legal system disgusts me.Moonlight_HuangHou (Also the parents were at fault for leaving the child alone with the doctor...)
It's no ones fault except that sick disturped ***** was their doctor, many people have alot of trust in doctors which is understandable and he could quite easily have given them many reasons why they could not be in the room I imagine.
I'm pretty damn sure they had no idea that he was going to rape their child, and they are propobly in feeling enough grief and self blame over it already without other people adding to it.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:43 am
First of all Klikk, your legal system is really screwed up. I mean, really, only a year? And he got his daughter back?! WTH?
I'm all for lengthening a person's sentence, too. As for the whole "Innocent but they charged me anyway" thing, then well, why not take a polygraph exam? I know there's been cases where DNA was wrong, but if someone's accused, they should be allowed to take a polygraph, then. If it says they're lying, then maybe somethings up. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. It's be hard for both a polygraph and a DNA test to be wrong at the same time.
But, I know there's also plenty of cases of rape in the US where people get away with barely a slap on the wrist. My cousin was raped by her own half-brother after he got completely drunk. She even got pregnant from it. I think he only got a couple of years... There's a girl I go to college with who was also raped by family, but he's never been charged, either.
You still hear on the news about local tragedies: The John Benet Ramsey case has yet to be solved, the recent discovery of a girl whose been missing since she was 13 and then found living in a tent with her two daughters she birthed from her kidnapper... The Madeline case in... England, I believe. So, yeah, there's needs to be a major overhaul on crimes dealing with all sorts of this crap just all over the place, it seems like...
Well, I don't know what it's like in Iceland... but I know I wasn't allowed to be alone with a doctor of any kind until I was about 18 years old. Maybe my mom is... kk, well, she's always been overprotective, but I'm sure there's plenty of other parents just like that. I know I wouldn't leave my kids alone till they're grown up some. Least until high school.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:04 am
We are indeed extra stupid with the legal system over here.
And it's made even more stupid by the fact that the whole nation is very outspoken about the horrors of sexual crimes.
I can't even count how many times there were anti-rape lectures and such in school when I was a child,
even more when I began highschool,
there are commercial campaigns against it going on every few months, where you pretty much cant leave the house, turn on the radio nor TV or read a newspaper without landing on a commercial stating how horrible it is and such.
And pretty much everyone acknowledges that these ridiculous jail sentences need too stop, but for some reason nothing is really being done about it,
sure they are slowly but surely raising slightly higher but seroiusly.
When 2 years for an incredibly violent rape case is considered an improvement, it's obviously not happening fast enough.
And while I agree that parents should not leave the child alone in an doctors appointment, more for the reason that their presence might be calming for the kid then that they should have suspected the doctor of being a child molestor, but honestly who would really suspect something like this happening at a doctors appointment?
My parents always stayed with me during doctors appointments when I was a child, as is indeed also normal behaviour in Iceland. But can I honestly say that if a doctor told them they had too leave the room for some reason that would sound perfectly believeable that they wouldnt have bought it and left? I have no idea, my parents are perfectly sensible people and rather realistic when it comes too the dark side of society but it could well be that they would have trusted the doctor and left.
People leave kids alone with babysitters all the time, and yet I really don't think it would be fair to blame the parents in said babysitter would end up molesting the child.
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Moonlight_HuangHou Captain
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:12 am
Wow...Renting out a girl? And the abused girl will be back in his care?! That's horrible!
I'm really surprised about those stories. o_o
Here in the US there are a lot of time people come out in just a short time b/c of stupid excuses....like if someone murders someone they blame it on some mental disorder in the moment and time is lessened. The system isn't perfect here either that's one thing for sure.
I've also heard of a lot of people going to jail innocently.
Worst cases are abuse...where women sometimes say that a husband abuses them and the judge automatically believes the woman b/c...she's a female. I knew someone with that case scenario.
But for this doctor....they caught him red handed. There is no way his situation is a mistake so for him I'd be all for it.
Though I know what you mean about some punishments being too harsh if there's no proof. Or people going back to the old ways like cutting off hands for just stealing. Now that is extreme.
About the stealing thing...did you know that some places still practice something like that for law?
I remember I saw something about in this Arabic country where a young boy stole from the store...how they punished him? They ran his arms over with a truck so that he may never be able to steal again. Way too extreme... horrible....
About the parents:
I understand that they defiantly feel horrible and people trust their doctor but I guess my family was a bit different. There was a close connection to the doctor but my mom was always with me and my sister. ^_^ My mom was really protective like Black_Angel's it sounds like. And I personally would defiantly not leave my child alone even if I trust that doctor...
@Black
What word had to be censored?
You mean a**b****? I think gaia did that automatically. lol Wasn't me.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 12:45 pm
Moonlight_HuangHou
Here in the US there are a lot of time people come out in just a short time b/c of stupid excuses....like if someone murders someone they blame it on some mental disorder in the moment and time is lessened. The system isn't perfect here either that's one thing for sure.
I was reading an article a while ago. And it was talking about how that actually doesn't happen very often. Shows and movies show it happening all the time, people get off with a slap on the wrist because they plead insanity but in reality it said it is very hard to get an "insane verdict".
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:24 pm
@Moonlight:
No, not that word. I censored that one myself. The word for a child abuser. The P word. Typed it down and it disappeared into a bunch of asterisks. Didn't realize that would happen. Sorry about that, Moonlight. sweatdrop *Yeah, I know Gaia censors some words, too. Didn't realize you couldn't use that one, though. Go figure.*
Actually, that ended up being a pretty interesting addition to the topic. Why in the world would you censor that word of all things?! Are they saying it's not nice to call those type of people by that name? *Like I really care about how their feelings stare *
@Klikk:
Even if the doc told my mom to leave, she wouldn't. Unless we were in the ER and then you don't have a choice. But again, my mom's a rather extreme case. Very true about the babysitters, too.
You know, over here we don't have much dealing with rape itself. You see all sorts of stuff about teens abusing their girlfriends, about drugs, and about unsafe sex. But you mainly hear about rape in the news. The one rape safety thing I took was in my old college... in the middle of the night... with mainly students I didn't even know... And it was there that I learned lesbians were more likely to get raped than straight women.... eek And as soon as I got to the dorm, I learned how a man ran inside a HOSPITAL, RIGHT NEXT TO WHERE THE RAPE CLASS WAS, and raped an elderly woman. *He was never charged, due to lack of evidence. WHAT stressed *
I didn't stay in that school very long after that sweatdrop
There's also some TV shows like Oprah and Tyra and Dr. Phil that talk to rape victims, but there's nothing really besides that. THAT I'VE SEEN. I may very well be wrong.
@Zizzy:
It's strange that some of the biggest cases on US TV, like the OJ Simpson trial for murder and the Yates trial... end up with freaky sentences *OJ not guilty may not be weird, but I kinda freaked out when he tried to sell a book called "If I Did It" and didn't have anything done* I know, I know, double jeapordy laws say you can't be charged with a crime that you've already be found innocent in, but there should've been a "lying to the court" or something... And yet they still won't charge Dr. Conrad Murray and take him to the court.
Another couple: the... Salahis? The two that snuck into the White House Dinner, I believe? They should be charged, but I doubt it'll happen. I'll dance around if they do. blaugh
There's also some good things you hear, too: Balloon boy's parents were charged. xp
But it seems the more serious the crime, the bigger the circus. Again, just my opinion.
It's very hard to prove that you're crazy. One little misstake and psychologists can totally destroy your insanity case.
@Everyone:
There's actually a lot of American laws that are really crazy. For example, in Kentucky:
Men are still allowed, ALLOWED, to beat their wifes, AS LONG AS the item they use IS SMALLER THAN THEIR PINKY.
*wiggles pinky*
While I've never heard of this law being used, it's still a shock that it's still on the books.
Lexington has a law that states you cannot carry an ice cream cone in your pocket on a Sunday in an amusement park... I think it's accurate, but really, who'd even carry an ice cream in their pocket??
And all over the US: The only legal... "position" here is the military one. eek How they ever find out that sort of thing is something I really don't wanna know...
Anyway, I'll finish my rant at the moment.
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 4:50 am
wow.. the military style.. wow.. they really have that kind of thinking? *search internet for military style*
ooh.. redface
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