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I cannot eat bacon cheeseburgers in public with a kippah on.
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Lumanny the Space Jew

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 4:37 pm


The other day I was at the store. This bearded guy with a kippah and tzitzit walked in.
He was showing the whole world that he was Jewish. But I didn't have any marker of any kind. And even though we were both Jews, I knew that he was one and he didn't know that I was one.
At that moment I decided to retry wearing a kippah all the time, an experiment I've done so many times without success.

But I've also been sick with stomach flu and temprarily lactose intolerant. I miss Cheeseburgers. I miss Double Cheeseburgers and Bacon Cheeseburgers.

tl;dr: I want to wear a kippah in public, but next time I go out in public I'm gettin' me a bacon Cheeseburger.
And while I am comfortable with my lack of Kashrut, it is wrong for me to eat so unkosher in public with a kippah on.

Do I have to choose between cheeseburgers and kippahs? (Spoiler alert: if I do have to choose I'm choosing the cheeseburgers.)
PostPosted: Mon Mar 15, 2010 5:36 pm


If you're gonna wear a kippah in public, best not be eatin' a double bacon cheeseburger in public while wearing it, just from my point of view.

If you're gonna go all out, you better be willing to take the consequences of doing so. 3nodding

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LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:56 am


then lose the Kippah and keep the cheeseburgers.

The Kippah is supposed to be a symbol of you accepting the laws of the Talmud and you respecting them,

you can't go breaking talmudic law whilst wearing a Kippah

that's why I stopped wearing one.
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 3:39 pm


LordNeuf
then lose the Kippah and keep the cheeseburgers.

The Kippah is supposed to be a symbol of you accepting the laws of the Talmud and you respecting them,

you can't go breaking talmudic law whilst wearing a Kippah

that's why I stopped wearing one.

But my question is, can I never wear a kippah if I haven't given up cheeseburgers?
Can I never eat cheeseburgers without having given up kippahs?

Lumanny the Space Jew

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:15 pm


There are a few different ways to approach this. Let me give it a shot.

1. Any time you're doing something that a Jew is supposed to do, or avoiding something a Jew is supposed to avoid, it's a good thing. Wearing a kippah is a good thing; so is avoiding non-kosher food. If you're doing both, great; if you're doing even one of those things, still good, though there's room for growth. It's a sign that you're ready for one aspect of observance, and that's a thing that you should be encouraged to do, because it may eventually lead to another thing that you'll feel good about doing to support your growing Jewish feeling.

2. If you're going to keep one mitzvah (kippah) or neither mitzvah (kippah or cheeseburger), it may be better to avoid both than to do the mitzvah that calls to attention the lack of doing the other mitzvah. While eating a cheeseburger, you're just a dude eating a cheeseburger. While wearing a kippah, you're a Jew who is visibly, noticeably doing something that a Jew is supposed to avoid doing, and thus bringing upon Jews the reputation of infidelity to Torah and Hashem; and further, you call into question Hashem's wisdom in choosing you to be a member of his holy nation. In this line of thinking, it's better to avoid the "Look, I'm a Jew!" opportunities until you're also ready to take the next step and avoid flagrant violations of kashrut.

Your mileage may vary.
PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 5:10 pm


It's amazing to me your even attracted to cheese burgers.

I wear a hat all the time, and always have a kippa on me, so if I ever see a group of Jews, I can whip it out as a marker of some sort, I also recently bought my first tzitzit, only wore it once, but they're great. Its as if you have no choice but to honor the laws when wearing it, cause your constantly being reminded, which is its purpose.

My beard is going well too-

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 6:42 pm


You eat bacon? Lumanny, noooo..There must be a 12 step program, lol gonk


I can understand your situation. Seriously. When I see a Muslim somewhere, I know they're Muslim but they dont know I am. Since I dont wear hijab. And I also had the same feeling, If I wear a hijab, they'll know I'm one of them. BUT..then what If i do a bad thing? Like eat before I'm supposed to on Ramadan...What if another Jew sees you eating the dreaded Cheese and bacon burger, and gives you that glare that pierces your soul? ninja

Is wearing a yarmulke like a full time thing? You wear it each time you go out?
PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 10:29 am


Apple: First, hi again. smile

A Jewish man wearing a yarmulka (the Yiddish word for a kippah, which is the Hebrew word for 'dome' and the dome-like hat that people wear on their dome-like heads) is like a Muslim man wearing a kufi. Some Jewish men do it full-time, some do it part time, and some do it not at all.

The reason that Jewish men cover their heads is "to remember there is always Something above them." It is a sign of modesty, respect for Hashem ("The Name," meaning G*D/Allah), identification with the Jewish people, willingness to be up-front with the world, an offer to help a fellow Jew (they can spot you and therefore know you're there for them).

Some Jewish men consider a kippah to be not a "real" hat at all, and therefore when going outside they will add a brimmed hat over it, such as a bowler, fedora, streimel, newsboy/touring cap, fez, or other covering. Others consider the kippah all the hat that they could ever need, and won't add another hat on top of it unless it's seriously cold and they want another layer. Some wear the kippah full-time, even to bed. Others wear the kippah only when awake; or only when leaving the house; or only when praying; or only when entering a synagogue. And of course, some don't wear a kippah at all.

Just as with observance of Muslim law, Jewish law is immutable, but the way people interpret and observe it is very personal. In order to observe a law, someone first has to hear about it, then decide it's worth trying, then learn how to do it, then decide which interpretation they're going to take, and then commit to doing it. That's a lot; some Jews get that early Jewish education and parental reinforcement and encouragement from day one, and some don't really think about their Jewishness at all until well into adulthood, when they realize "Wait a minute. I'm Jewish, and I don't even know what that really means. Do I have to do anything, or is it enough to just say I'm Jewish?" and then they go and investigate. I knew a man who knew little or nothing of his Jewish heritage till he was in his seventies; by the time he died in his mid-nineties, he had become a ba'al teshuvah ("Master of Return," someone who embraced full observance for the rest of his life). He was, and still is, highly respected by those who knew him and knew how serious he became once he started his journey.

Kippah-wearing is even more mutable because it's not a law, but merely a custom that has achieved near-law status. So there's even more variation than there would be for, say, the actual law of "don't eat pig." That one's pretty low on variations, as Jews go: (1) No eating pig or even eating off of dishes or utensils that ever touched pork products or byproducts; (2) No eating pig, but being unconcerned with the dishes and utensils; (3) Eating pig, but only at home where no one can see; (4) Eating pig, but never at home on one's own dishes; (5) Eating pig, but not on Jewish holidays, mostly because of guilt; (6) Pass me the bacon, I want seconds. Basically, what I'm saying is that it's a very personal decision, whether/when/how much to wear a kippah.

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shmully

PostPosted: Sun Aug 22, 2010 11:02 am


Or never eat pork.
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