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 Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 4:38 am
Kaicho's gone now, he was a great part of the guild but we can't compare every possible canidate to Kaicho, the seat would never be filled then. When I became a Captain I was still learning quite a lot. I'm pretty sure I still am actually. Also, I left the Espada, does that question my loyality? Tystra will be able to learn, he's already got the mindset of a Captain.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 11:48 am
Okay, so, he helped with the way to get names. That's one thing, albeit rather simple.
But, how about instead of the Temporary Captain being Enshara, why don't we make it Tystra? Someone of Squad 12. Normally, it would go to the Lieutenant, Misa, but since we're putting Tystra into consideration, it would be good experience for him. Just as it was for me, during Zalian's leave I was put as the temporary Captain and eventually got full-fledged Captaincy.
Although, I am going to say "Temporary" very strongly because he's not full-fledged yet, obviously. I think "temporary" will help us get an idea about how well he'd be able to handle the job, plus it would also help him truly get into the mindset so he can have a firm grasp on what his responsibilities are.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:08 pm
Fine, I'm sure of him so I'll take your little test. If the rest of the council agrees, Tystra will become temporary Captain of squad twelve.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 12:09 pm
Alyin, i will accept your agreement to allow him to be temporary captain for now, and i saw in two week, we demote him again and have a vote to see how well he has done and weither or not, he should be a captain permently.
Also, i would like to mention that he is an officer and for an officer, it is hard to help out the guild in anyway.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 1:06 pm
Hard for an Officer to help out the Guild? I wasn't aware that it was hard for anyone.. Should it be? If it is, I think we should fix that.. >.<
Just to point this out, I was a Soldier when I showed the Guild rules to Cookeh. It was only a short time later that Zalian made his leave and I was made temporary. So, it's really not that difficult for lower ranks to contribute, they only have to speak up to someone if they have ideas. Rank shouldn't reflect upon anyone's ability to provide help to their Guild. It's a major kudos if they do anyway, I love seeing that and I wish I did more often.
I've only seen him RP and unfortunately, that's not enough to convince me he'd make a great Captain. With this, we'll see if he's got anything to contribute and we'll see how well he can help the Guild and Squad 12 as well. Granted, no one needs a Captain spot to help out.. But still, I think it would aid those who are like me and are a bit unsure about his promotion into Captaincy.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 8:03 pm
it is Alyin and i have proof of it too: BloodBerryBeam athena2324 BloodBerryBeam athena2324 i have a random question for you. since you were a solider and now an officer, how hard is it for you to help the guild, other than RPing? umm, well its been hard, since ive only been able to doing such misc. things like moderate some RP's and other topics in the guild, and monitor content, such as cybering, language, and other.... but aside from that nothing else.... now if i needed to, could i quote you on this perfect. go for it biggrin metalfist13 athena2324 metalfist13 athena2324 metalfist13 I'm sorry i dont get what you mean.....its been a very long day sorry i didn't explain it better. i'm doing a survey for S.R.o.t.S., to see how hard it is for people under Lt rank to help the guild out in ways other than Role playing Oh ok its was pretty hard due to the fact that the sig for the guild only gets a couple people. Also it was hard because when i messaged friends if they wanted to join they ether never messaged back or that they didnt like bleach, roleplaying, or any combo of the two. thank you for that, now i have one question for you, if i need to, can i quote you on this? Of course ^_^ DarkWolfHacker athena2324 i have a random question to ask you? since you were an officer once, how hard was it for you to do something for the guild? Well, the difficulty for me to actually do something for the guild isn't all that hard, but it's pretty decently challenging based on the quality of my posting, combined with how often I get on here and actually remember to look at the guilds overall. But, if asked to do something, I'll probably remember to do it, if not then I don't know what else I can do. (got permission for this one on tiny chat) Ennosuke_Arata Actually, pretty hard, i felt like nobody was listening to much. But eventually i just settled down and concentrated and found a captain that would listen. Even now though, im stil struggleing to find out how i can get my quincy RP up, no one really gets back to me on it. athena2324 i hae a random question to ask you? since you were an officer once, how hard was it for you to do something for the guild? (same thing for this one) it is like a security guard, they only have the power to call the Cops.
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Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2010 9:46 pm
Enshara Hold it. Comparing the person we find to Kaicho is unfair and not acceptable. Each person deserves a blank slate when they join. They will learn and adapt to the that. Dakotapikpik Kaicho's gone now, he was a great part of the guild but we can't compare every possible canidate to Kaicho, the seat would never be filled then. When I became a Captain I was still learning quite a lot. I'm pretty sure I still am actually. Also, I left the Espada, does that question my loyality? Woah, woah, woah. When did anyone say that they were comparing Kaicho to Tysrta? My comment meant we can't just give that Captain spot to anyone. Comparing Tysrta to Kaicho is like comparing Bambi to Godzilla. Especially If Tysrta isn't as well known as Kaicho. If I made it seem like I was comparing them, then I apologize. Anywho, we do still have candidates for Captains, for the moment, we are only focusing on one person, that wouldn't be giving the others a fair chance, right? It's not like I personally have anyone to nominate, I'm not that active, and thinking of giving up my position, but, thats a story for another day. So, I'm pretty sure another Captain has another person they want to become a Captain.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 2:01 am
Okay, the interviews were pretty helpful.. I think that would be a big eye-opener to the Council cause it was to me. Now, to like the next part of what I said before.. Do you believe it should be hard for people to help out their Guild? Because since a few people do think so.. I think we REALLY need to set it straight that it's not hard to help out. Or, at the very least people shouldn't feel like it's a difficult thing. In reality, it's not.. Even as a Soldier, I didn't believe so. I think we need to inform people about what really falls under "helping out".
Though I must say.. Kiba may not have realized it, but by PM'ing his friends and trying to advertise, that's still helping out. And even with Ventus.. what he's doing is helping out the Guild. Advertising and Forum moderating are very good things to be doing.
Perhaps I don't see it as being such a difficult thing because I'm the "go-getter" type.. But [to stay on topic here] the "go-getter" types, in my opinion, are typically the ones that prove themselves to stand out among the rest as Captain material. I really want to see more of that mentality [or something similar] from Tystra.. That he'll go out of his way to stand out from the rest. I think the people who do that are the ones that are really trying for something bigger. But, I can say that I've been looking at some of his RP's and he's very literate with his posts now, so I do really like that about him so far.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 7:35 am
well, i know what you mean, Aylin, but i put that out there to show you that it is kind of hard to do anything as a soldier or even an officer, but he has helped out in some ways,but i don't have any proof on one of them. during Esapada's Regin, when he switched to squad 12, Kaicho sent him on a rp side mission, where he was to find out which captain was going to betray the S.S., which he did find out was Ingfire. the only reason i know this is because he comes to tinychat every night now and talks to us (usually Dakota, Reddeye and myself, and sometimes enshara too) about things. the next that i can think of is in the Vizard Roster he is defending Enshara and i against Yunna Zee who was mad about having her vizard powers being taken away. he was not only defending us, but trying to calm her down and even Fireball came in after that and confirmed it. he is trying to help out, he will be able to do more, once he is captain, i know he doesn't seem like the 'go-getter' type, but even when i was an officer, i didn't do much, also when i was a Lt. my role playing skills stunk, i could barely get the 3 sentence requirement, but now as a captain, i can get it, i have learned with the spot, how to make posts longer, how to get myself out there and heard. i believe we need to just give him a chance to prove himself, whether it be as a temp captain, or a permanent part of the council
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:11 am
Frankly I'm tired of all the bitching. So I have a proposition be it as it may I don't make this lightly.
1) We make him temp captain of squad 12 for 2 weeks to see how he does.
2) We demote him after the 2 weeks to judge how he did
3) If he is considered have a captain watch over and mentor him until we are comfortable that he is able to handle things on his own.
4) If he is not considered for this or he fails in any way either during the two weeks as temp captain or when/if he is made captain I will step down from my position as a captain.
I make the last statement because I believe 100% that he can be a great captain. If I am proven wrong then I will step down.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:41 am
Woah.. Okay.. Enshara, it's okay, no one's bitching at anything. We're just having a conversation, if I'm coming off as rude then I apologize but I'm just wanting to provide my opinons. I'm trying to get people to put a little more thought into their decisions since it seems like they're being made based upon little solid evidence.. This is a Captain's spot, a very high honor that requires a lot of dedication and work. My views on prerequisites for this position obviously differ, but that doesn't mean I should keep them in, I'm just trying to be helpful.. There are people that are standing firmly behind him, but for what reasons? What has he done to deserve a spot in Captaincy?
I'm not saying that I don't believe Tystra can do it, heck I was the one to even suggest he be given the Temporary Captain thing.. but, like I said, I'm just trying to help out here.
Enshara, you don't have to put your position on the line. I know it shows how much you stand by him, but.. Majority rule still counts, it's very likely Tystra will get the Captain spot regardless.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 11:45 am
My decision still stands. Two weeks from today he will be demoted back down to a regular member. Three days after that we will vote on it. Should he not prove worthy I will step down. That is my final decision and I stick to it.
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Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 1:11 pm
Well, since its already done, no need to discuss it anymore.
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