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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 6:12 am
When I write my fan fictions and original stories, I tend to overly describe an action scene like magic duels and fights. is that bad? Seriously speaking, I really don't know. What are your opinions about it guys? Help me! 3nodding
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:13 am
It all depends on the pacing. It's hard to say how effective something is unless I actually see a sample of it.
If you feel that it's "overly" describe though, then it's probably overly described. Try to cut back. Remember, sometimes less IS more.
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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 7:22 am
Well, that is relieving coming from you, Ren-senpai! Ahahaha! Oh, I dunno about 'overly' describing mines, I never really gave it someone who can judge it if it is or not.
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Posted: Tue Mar 23, 2010 3:29 pm
I agree with Ren... I need to see it to tell you my opinion... but sometimes you need to describe an action scene - - because a lot is going to be going on!
If you overly describe something though.... can't really think up (or feel like writing) and example off the top of my head, though. =/
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:46 am
Well, I dunno if I'm overly describing. But I'm nervous that the events I'm writing might be just totally unnecessary?
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:04 am
I think it depends on what the purpose of the fight is in relation to your story. I've just posted a lesson on developing themes to a story in the classrooms. You might want to pay special attention to that for the next few lessons as to better decide for yourself if you need to change your fighting scenes.
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Angles and Dangles Captain
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Posted: Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:56 pm
keichaos When I write my fan fictions and original stories, I tend to overly describe an action scene like magic duels and fights. is that bad? Seriously speaking, I really don't know. What are your opinions about it guys? Help me! 3nodding If it's a step-by-step "he lunges/he parries/he strikes with his sword" etc etc but not really getting anywhere then yes, I'd say there's too much info. If the scene and what you are describing actually tell us something about the characters and actually take us somewhere in the story, then no you've described enough! Particularly if it's around dialogue.
If you're still unsure, maybe post a section so we can let you know for sure biggrin
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:24 am
Ahahaha! I'm scared to post one... sad
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Posted: Thu Mar 25, 2010 11:17 am
keichaos Ahahaha! I'm scared to post one... sad Don't be! You can't improve if you don't address what might need work.
Sometimes it's good to get another opinion if you kind of feel a little unsure about making adjustments or seeing what needs to be improved.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:01 am
I think that overly describing anything in an action scene can be a bit dangerous.
Honestly the best trick I've learned is to keep the sentences short. Short sentences make a reader read FASTER, which conveys a sense of urgency and drama. Long sentences tend to slow the pacing down a lot and distance the reader from the action.
A sample would definitely be helpful. 3nodding As for being afraid, be on the lookout for a future lesson of mine on dealing with your inner critic. That nasty little devil....
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 1:08 am
Thank you so much for the advice guys and as one suggested earlier, here is a sample from one of my 'action' scenes: Another Storm Arises: Harry Potter Fan Fiction Chapter 5 Professors of the Former World Professor Deeply sat in his office with great frustration. While Dana stood in front of him, she bore the same reaction. He shook his head and thought of the earlier event. The man that showed in the Owlery was indeed someone he knew, he just can't remember. And the man had strange powers; ability to stop time. Time is something never been touched by magic, as far as he knew.
He stood up and walked towards the windows. Then, he shifted his gaze at Fawkes, who looked rather disturbed by some feeling. He was no expert at animals and their feelings but he did sense something was wrong. Afterwards, he looked at Dana as she stared at him with great anxiety.
"I feel something bad, Dana." He said in a very clear tone, avoiding the sound of being nervous.
Dana nodded in agreement with Deep. "Yes, and for now, the Owlery is off limits to the students. They cannot send any letter to anyone. Except, perhaps, if they have their owls with them. But I highly doubt that..." She said.
"Yes, indeed, something is wrong. I feel that there is a plot of some kind. Have you received any word from the Ministry about Alvis?"
She shook his head. "Not yet, but I am sure---"
And then there was a sudden movement at the office. Dana and Deep immediately looked at the origin of the movement. They looked at the door, which now strangely hung open. He did not remember it being open before engaging in a conversation with the Deputy Headmistress. Then, he slowly picked his wand from the top of his desk and looked round the office. Fawkes began to emit strange sounds, as if warning them.
Dana, on the other hand, faced her back and then aimed her wand around. She looked very nervous based on her expression. Sweat started to drip from her face.
"Who's there?" She asked in a strong tone, enabling her voice to be heard all around the room.
Deep walked beside her and scattered his gaze around the room. No one would Apparate in front of them because it was Hogwarts after all. The anti-apparition charm around the school denied that magic.
When all of the sudden, a strange feeling overwhelmed their senses. Dana was enshrouded with fear and became unable to move the following moments. The headmaster, however, had the strength to face his back, at his desk. And the most shocking image filled his eyes.
There, a man sat at his seat, by his desk. The man he had feared of arriving here at Hogwarts, the man who became his nightmare for many years. There sat at his chair a pale and rather severe looking man with a grin that sent shivers to his spine. Alvis, he thought. And not just a thought, he was real in front of him, smiling.
His smiled widened than earlier. "How are you, professor?" He asked in a very cold and chilly tone.
"I... I am indeed fine, Alvis."
He chuckled and then glared at him. "I see that you still know me. And I am fairly sure you were expecting me as well. Why, those barriers were indeed very difficult to crack."
Dana gulped for air and faced Alvis, much to her horror. She looked at him in a strange way. "You passed Flitwick's barriers?"
"Why yes, fortunately. Not to mention that the main gates were charmed with an incredible magic. I do have to say, I'm quite upset with your hospitality." He paused and then shifted his eyes at Deep, who flinched when he glared at him. "It feels so nice that I'm back at my Alma Matter. Now, I can finish a course I failed to do last time."
"What do you want here?!" Deep yelled at the top his lungs. Even Dana was shocked by his sudden reaction.
Suddenly, two men came in the scene that as if they Apparated into the office. Dana immediately faced them and pointed her wand. She was surprised to see the sudden appearance of the men; she wore an expression of disgust and foulness. The men paid less attention to her and drew their wands, albeit more relaxed than her.
"I never thought I'd live to see this day!" she said in a strong tone. "Disrespect of the office of the Headmaster! This is an abomination!"
Alvis took a very long sigh. "It is futile, professors."
That was it. Deep could not handle no more. With a blink of an eye, he pulled out his wand and aimed at Alvis. He didn't seem threatened by Deep's sudden action. And then, the strange man slowly pulled his wand.
"Is this what you want?"
And then the room was engulfed in bright flashes of green lights. Alvis immediately disappeared and then reappeared at the bookshelf nearby; Deep dashed to him and waved his wand. Suddenly, books began to clutter around Alvis. He looked at the man as he struggled of removing the books that crowded him.
"Bombarda Maxima!" Deep quickly said. And then, it looked as if the whole wall exploded to pieces. Pages and papers flew here and there. And the room began to fill with smoke. He looked at Dana and was shocked to see her in action.
Dana was waving here and there, deflecting bright flashes of green and red sparks all over the place. She was struggling with the two men that duels her at the same time. But the men were indeed having a hard time themselves, deflecting her spells.
When all of the sudden, she gave them a fast and swirling wave of her wand. Then, the men were engulfed by a small vortex of dust and smoke. She waved her wand again and the vortex turned to a huge sphere of smoke, with the men still inside it. She flicked her wand and the sphere crashed into the walls with a huge explosion, as if the sphere was equipped with bombs.
But before she could take a short sigh, a strong burst of force pushed her to the walls of the office. Looking through the smoke, she saw that the men walked out unharmed. Her jaws fell open and her eyes widened with shock.
On the other side of the room, Deep took a short grunt as he saw Alvis' body walk out of the flames with not a single scratch, even to his robe. The headmaster immediately helped Dana to her feet.
Avis laughed at the two. "Resistance is futile," he paused "and Hogwarts is now at our hands." P.S. So, sorry about that lone one but this is one of my favorites. But I was wondering if it was necessary? I tend to describe fight scenes like that in HP fan fictions... and to other original stories of mine. By the way, it's not yet properly edited in grammars and stuffs. So it's kinda 'raw'.
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Posted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 10:28 am
critique/amendments in green biggrin keichaos Thank you so much for the advice guys and as one suggested earlier, here is a sample from one of my 'action' scenes: Another Storm Arises: Harry Potter Fan Fiction Chapter 5 Professors of the Former World Professor Deeply sat in his office with great frustration, while Dana stood in front of him bearing the same reaction. (do you mean "expression"?) He shook his head and thought of the earlier event. The man that had shown up in the Owlery was indeed someone he knew, he just couldn't remember who. And The man had strange powers - the ability to stop time. Time is something that had never been touched by magic (as far as he knew).
He stood up and walked towards the windows, shifting his gaze to Fawkes, who looked rather disturbed by some feeling. He was no expert at animals and their feelings, but he did sense something was wrong. He looked at Dana as she stared at him, looking very anxious.
"I feel something bad, Dana." He said in a very clear tone, trying not to sound nervous.
Dana nodded in agreement with Mr Deeply, "Yes, and for now, the Owlery is off limits to the students. They cannot send any letter to anyone. Except, perhaps, if they have their owls with them. But I highly doubt that..."
"Yes, indeed, something is wrong. I feel that there is a plot of some kind. Have you received any word from the Ministry about Alvis?"
She shook her head. "Not yet, but I am sure-" (one dash will signify a break in conversation or interruption).
There was a sudden movement in the office; Dana and Deeply immediately looked at the origin of the movement. The door strangely hung open. He did not remember it being open before engaging in a conversation with the Deputy Headmistress. He slowly picked his wand from the top of his desk and looked around the office. Fawkes began to emit strange sounds, as if warning them.
Dana, on the other hand, faced her back ("faced her back"? Doesn't sound possible so will need revising.)and then aimed her wand around (around what?). She looked very nervous based on her expression (Describe what nervous looks like, don't just tell us she was). Sweat started to drip from her face.
"Who's there?" She asked in a strong tone, (Isn't she scared? Nervous? If so, wouldn't her voice betray this?) enabling her voice to be heard all around the room.
Deeply walked beside her and scattered (this implies he threw bits of himself. You might want to consider "his eyes darted about the room" or "fleeting glances") his gaze around the room. No one would apparate in front of them because it was Hogwarts after all; the anti-apparition charm around the school denied (sentence doesn't sound quite right, consider "the anti-apparition charm worked perfectly, blocking anyone from trying".)that magic.
A strange feeling overwhelmed their senses. (Use your senses rather than telling the reader that something is going to happen. In other words,if you delete this first sentence the following works much better) Dana was enshrouded with fear and became unable to move the following moments. The headmaster, however, had the strength to face his back (again "face his back"? do you mean "put his back to..."), at his desk. And the most shocking image filled his eyes.
There, a man sat in his seat, by his desk. The man he had feared of arriving here at Hogwarts, the man who had become his nightmare for many years. There sat at his chair a pale and rather severe looking man with a grin that sent shivers down his spine.
'Alvis!', he thought. He was no longer just a thought, he was real in front of him, smiling.
His cold smile widened, "How are you, professor?"
"I... I am indeed fine, Alvis."
He chuckled and then glared at him. "I see that you still know me. And I am fairly sure you were expecting me as well. Why, those barriers were indeed very difficult to crack."
Dana gulped for air and faced Alvis, much to her horror. She looked at him in a strange way (what kind of strange? The reader needs to be able to picture it). "You passed Flitwick's barriers?"
"Why yes, fortunately. Not to mention that the main gates were charmed with incredible magic. I do have to say, I'm quite upset with your hospitality." He paused and then shifted his eyes at Deeply, who flinched when he glared at him. "It feels so nice that I'm back at my Alma Matter. Now, I can finish a course I failed to do last time."
"What do you want here?!" Deeply yelled at the top his lungs. Even Dana was shocked by his sudden reaction.
Suddenly, two men came in the scene that as if they apparated into the office. Dana immediately faced them and pointed her wand. She was surprised to see the sudden appearance of the men; she wore an expression of disgust and foulness. (wouldn't "her face wrinkled in disgust" suffice?) The men paid less attention to her and drew their wands, albeit more relaxed than her.
"I never thought I'd live to see this day!" she said in a strong tone. "Disrespect the office of the Headmaster! This is an abomination a disgrace!"
Alvis took a very long sigh. "It is futile, professors."
That was it - Deeply could not handle anymore. With a blink of an eye, he pulled out his wand and aimed at Alvis. He didn't seem threatened by Deeply's sudden action. The strange man calmly pulled out his wand.
"Is this what you want?"
The room was engulfed in bright flashes of green lights. Alvis immediately disappeared and then reappeared at the bookshelf nearby; Deeply dashed to him and waved his wand. Books began to clutter around Alvis. He looked at the man as he struggled to remove the books that crowded him.
"Bombarda Maxima!" Deeply quickly said. The whole wall exploded into pieces. Pages and papers flew haphazardly into the air. The room began to fill with smoke. He looked at Dana and was shocked to see her in action.
Dana was waving her wand rapidly deflecting bright flashes of green and red sparks. She was struggling with the two men that duelled her similtaneously; the men were indeed having a hard time themselves, deflecting her spells.
She gave them a fast and swirling wave of her wand and the men were engulfed by a small vortex of dust and smoke. She waved her wand again and the vortex turned to a huge sphere of smoke, with the men still inside it. She flicked her wand and the sphere crashed into the walls with a huge explosion, as if the sphere was equipped with bombs.
Before she could take a breath, a strong force pushed her into the walls of the office. Looking through the smoke, she saw that the men walked out unharmed. Her jaw fell open and her eyes widened with shock.
On the other side of the room, Deeply grunted as he saw Alvis' body walk out of the flames with not a single scratchmark, not even to his robe. The headmaster immediately helped Dana to her feet.
Avis laughed at the two. "Resistance is futile," he paused "and Hogwarts is now at our hands." P.S. So, sorry about that lone one but this is one of my favorites. But I was wondering if it was necessary? I tend to describe fight scenes like that in HP fan fictions... and to other original stories of mine. By the way, it's not yet properly edited in grammars and stuffs. So it's kinda 'raw'. The actual content of the fight scene was fine as there was still some dialogue, or maybe adding some backstory worked into the scene. It would be handy to have some more dialogue though, so there is a goal in mind rather than random acts of violence. What are they after? Why are they there? Have they met before?
In terms of technical bits and bobs, you seem to like starting sentences with conjuctions like "and" and "but" - please avoid this! A conjuction is used to connect one part of a sentence to another.
You also seem to use words like "Whilst", "suddenly", and "Then there was" to start a sentence. I get the impression you are doing this to try and give a sense of immediacy and excitement mid-action but they actually mess up the flow. The best thing to do to quicken the pace and create a sense of urgency is to shorten your sentences, so adding extra words at the beginning actually spoils this effect.
I've noticed in some parts the words you've used haven't quite been accurate, if you're unsure just double check the definition. There's no shame in not knowing what something means, even the best writers have spell check, a thesaurus and dictionary biggrin
When using names - during your narrative I'd stick to using the full name (or whatever name you introduced them as) as it gets confusing if you keep changing. You can use abbreviations during conversation if you feel the need.
As I mentioned earlier, also try to describe more how the character is looking or reacting rather than telling the reader that they're anxious or nervous. Think of what happens to a person when they are anxious - they sweat, they shake, they may feel pains in their chest, stutter, not want to meet someones eyes etc... try to let the reader see for themselves rather than you telling them.
I'm not really into fan fictions so I'm not the best person to comment on the content, although I felt it was a really imaginative piece with lots of potential so I hope you take on board some of these pointers and continue to write!
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 2:49 am
Yes, I understand, thank you very much for the points that you have given me. And that story is somewhere in the 5th chapter so the characters were not described properly. And thank you for reading this excerpt even though you're not a fan of fan fictions. And yes, I do tend to use 'and', 'but' and 'whilst' in the beginning of the sentences I make. It's hard to avoid but I will do my best avoiding it as much as possible. Oh my! I tend to writes words at some moments recklessly, please, pardon my random word choice. I need more practice. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Apr 03, 2010 3:29 pm
keichaos Yes, I understand, thank you very much for the points that you have given me. And that story is somewhere in the 5th chapter so the characters were not described properly. And thank you for reading this excerpt even though you're not a fan of fan fictions. And yes, I do tend to use 'and', 'but' and 'whilst' in the beginning of the sentences I make. It's hard to avoid but I will do my best avoiding it as much as possible. Oh my! I tend to writes words at some moments recklessly, please, pardon my random word choice. I need more practice. 3nodding That's alright, in draft form you can pretty much make as many mistakes as you want as long as you keep writing. That's was editing is for biggrin You're also welcome biggrin
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Posted: Wed May 12, 2010 1:48 pm
I've actually heard that male writers tend to focus more on action scenes, and female writers tend to focus more on dialogue and character interaction.
This isn't always true, but it seems to be fairly true for me and my husband, heh. I need to ask his help for most of my fighting scenes.
So no, I don't think it's bad, as long as the flow is correct.
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