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 Posted: Sat Aug 21, 2010 2:10 am
Call Me Apple Emet_Paladin of Truth I've heard this before... but let's be honest... at that point, nobody's in the mood for talking. Its called being responsible. Call Me Apple The idea of a man wanting sex, then when accidents happen leave the woman hanging high and dry being LEGAL is cruel and will never happen. Emet_Paladin of Truth that's not what we're talking about- we're talking about the Idea of either the man or the woman wanting sex (doesn't matter in this instance), and when accidents happen, the woman wanting an abortion, but the man wants to keep it. Did I misread the next comment? OP Said If a woman chooses to give birth to a child that the father doesn't want, he has to pay child support for 18 years. I think a father should have a right to say no. Especially because he has no say in whether or not the pregnancy is terminated. emphasizing the importance of Responcibility, on the account of both parties involved. look, regardless of whether or not they are horny at the time, like Apple said, it's important to be aware of the consequences. and "nobody's in the mood to talk" is not a reasonable excuse. =_= and just because we are capable of cutting a baby out of a womb doesn't make it a Birth Control option. evil that is one of the WORSTE cases of Abortion Abuse in my mind! stressed and plenty of single-parents have managed, heck even THRIVED, at raising their children! scream it is NOT doomed to failure! and seriously, no man should just have the option of saying "no" to paying Child Support. stressed he can either do his part in raising the kid, or else pay up. to just leave someone hanging with all the responciblity is pathetic and immature, and high irrisponcible. it took both of them to MAKE a baby, it's as much his fault as hers that a kid is there! he has to be accountable for his actions!
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 2:13 pm
If either parent wants to abort the fetus, the fetus should get aborted. If a woman wants to keep the fetus, then don't have the man who doesn't want the thing born have to pay child support or take care of it, and the couple should consider breaking up if they cannot agree on the subject. If a man wants to keep the fetus, but the woman does not, let the woman get the abortion, and the couple should consider breaking up if they cannit agree on the subject.
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Posted: Sun Oct 17, 2010 6:29 pm
cwilder725 If either parent wants to abort the fetus, the fetus should get aborted. If a woman wants to keep the fetus, then don't have the man who doesn't want the thing born have to pay child support or take care of it, and the couple should consider breaking up if they cannot agree on the subject. If a man wants to keep the fetus, but the woman does not, let the woman get the abortion, and the couple should consider breaking up if they cannit agree on the subject. how come you don't consider the Baby a living thing? you are talking about it like it's some kind of a toy, or an object. a lifeless thing that is disposable. you can't just compromise on this!
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 11:53 am
Here's my opinion, just for a situation when the man wants the child but the woman doesn't:
In this kind of situation, I don't think the fathers opinion should be considered. First of all, as other people have said before, it's the woman who has to go through the pregnancy, and any possible dangers associated with it. If and when the baby is born, the burden of taking care of it until it is grown is most likely going to fall mostly on her. Also, just because the father should have to pay child support, doesn't mean he's going to. My father has four children, and has never paid a dime of child support for any of us. He's never even done so much as buy us a birthday present. There's really nothing we can do to force him to, either. So I think it's fair that it's the mothers choice, not the fathers. Until the day laws are passed that make it absolutely certain that the father will have to do his share of the work, they shouldn't get a say.
Just my two cents.
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:30 pm
Chieftain Twilight how come you don't consider the Baby a living thing? you are talking about it like it's some kind of a toy, or an object. a lifeless thing that is disposable. you can't just compromise on this! Because we're talking about a fetus. Not a baby.I don't really consider it a baby until it's out of the womb, and I don't really have a problem with abortion up until...3rd trimester? My memory's a little rusty on this one. Anyway, the father's opinions should be considered, just like how the woman has to consider the opinions of all the other people in her life. Family and friends and such. However, if the father does not want to keep the baby, I feel that he should either have to not pay child support, or, depending on the income of both parties, pay a reduced amount of child support, and then stop if the mother can get on her feet and get a well-paying job and such.
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Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 3:01 pm
My thoughts on this is that the father SHOULD have a choice.
Why?
Even though the mother has to go through the process of having the child, both the mother AND father were responsible for making the child.
Both of them should consider what happens because both of them made it; they were responsible for having sex with one another.
As for my take on abortion, I don't exactly consider it an evil nor good act. It's more of a neutral point. Sure, you're killing the fetus, however, you have to consider the process.
For one, it's painless and quick for the fetus. It wont even realize it. It's not like dealing with farm animals where the animals are tortured for years upon years until put to death. Abortion is quick, simple, and an easy process.
But also take into the reasons why abortion is being considered.
First off, what if the parents aren't good parents or aren't ready? Parents forced to take of a child will usually push that child to hell, and the friends I've had who killed themselves were because of their parents being forced to have the child. Some parents shouldn't have a child, and some parents aren't ready to have a child. When you throw a baby into the hands of these parents, it's not like they are given a manual on how to take care of it. Most of the time, these parents will ******** up. I'm technically part of this number. My parents had me when they were still in highschool. My father couldn't join his band on tour, which later became famous. My mother couldn't go to college and get her degrees in art and such. To this day, my father is a pill-popping coke head working as an assistant manager at Chuckie Cheese and my mother works at a bar under the table while trying to go through college slowly. Am I glad I was born? Yes, but I have lived through a bit of problems such as almost getting beat up by my drunk father without him remembering and my own parents struggling with money just to hold onto the house. I don't plan on making the same mistake, I've learned through experience that I was extremely lucky to meet people that could help me, learn to cope with my environment.
As for adoption, adoption is an even sadder life for a kid. Kids in the adoption house rarely have good friends and don't get the loving care of their parents as they should. Most of them end up as a depressed mess without the nonsensical education and life/experience they deserved.
But abortion? Abortion stops them from living such bad lives, it keeps them with dealing with all these kinds of troubles. Not to mention it also supplies cells which can help people going through sicknesses and illnesses that can't be treated with modern medicine.
( However, stem-cell research is being replaced with a new research that uses skin cells to form these such cells. However, this research could take some time to complete. It'd be better to take unwanted stem cells and use them until skin cells can be put to use. )
What I think, however, is that you shouldn't have sex without being ready to be a parent. Pulling out takes way too much will power and accidentally can cause pregnancy. If you aren't ready to take care of a baby, don't have unprotected sex. The condom should never really break, atleast not these days. If it does, you can tell when it will break and just stop. There are also pills and vaccines that can keep you from becoming pregnant. It's called being responsible.
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