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nbkczxig

PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 3:57 pm


PLEASE HELP!!! I have terrible articulation. crying There's always a ghost tone before my higher notes. Any advice? PLEASE?!?!?!
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:12 pm


tighten your embrichure

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:18 pm


Topic moved to a more appropriate subforum. 3nodding
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:43 pm


Saint-Saens
Topic moved to a more appropriate subforum. 3nodding


...that would be where exactly? wait...i'm asking a woodwind related question. *looks around...where IS it more appropriate?

nbkczxig


nbkczxig

PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 1:31 pm


Moonclarinet
tighten your embrichure


ummm...well my embouchure is TOO tight according to my band director...
PostPosted: Tue Dec 27, 2005 9:16 am


MitosisK622
Moonclarinet
tighten your embrichure


ummm...well my embouchure is TOO tight according to my band director...


okay, here is a warning before I make a super long post: I'm in seventh grade but you can still trust my advice o_O; if I can teach my friend then I can teach you too o-o;;.

Okay, if your embouchure is too tight loosen it but not too much. RELAX before playing, I don't care if you can't relax before a concert or competition (I'm too hyper before competitions..) or a audition (I sort of relaxed before my all southern one...and my all state one I was relaxed ^_^) you HAVE TO RELAX! it'll only cause you to squeeze the life out of your clarinet and squeak, here is the trick: low notes-a loose but slightly tight embouchure; aka the comfortable embouchure (i call it that) high notes-tight but NOT TOO TIGHT, its relaxed but slightly worried so it hangs on and high notes can be produced that way. did that make sense?

It can be the tongue that is causing the problem if not the embrouchure, does your tone sound staacato like when you tongue? is the notes hard to get out when you play? if so its a tonguing problem, the tongue should touch the tip of the reed lightly...its that or you don't tongue correctly, last year when I started, from sept-janurary I didn't tongue, i blew, (I don't know WHY my teacher never noticed) my cheeks always puffed up and I was finally corrected, it could be that or...

ghost tone before your high notes? well, check your reed, and what size is the reed by the way? two is way too soft, I've been using twos up until summer then i moved to three and now I play at 3 1/2. I could play the high notes now because of the reed, I used to squeak.

the ghostly sound happens if you recently started playing the high notes (it most happens at the high C to the REAL high G...dunno about the other notes...i should look at them once and a while...) then its not something to worry about, you can fix it in time. Like I said, it could be the tonguing or the reed. You should take a deep breath from your diaphrapm, it works, and you should have the sound of the note in your mind before playing.

you can find sites that have recordings of high notes, if not PM with the specific notes you can't play (second octave or third octave) and I'll just record myself playing the high notes. (I'm sorta on the busy side today...an I don't wanna look through sites today but I do have time to record me playing the high notes ^_^ since I am gonna practice today anyways...)

so if you need to hear the high notes, PM me. My substitute private teacher (whose way better then my private teacher...this one will be teaching me for six months > biggrin ) told me that before I play a high note, I should hear it in my head, so I tried that and my highhh F came out clearly. So it's best to hear the high notes before playing.

hope that helps
-miyoko

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 10:47 pm


Just a note: It's not always "tightness" that matters in your embouchure. Make sure you're sitting up straight, that you really use a lot of support for those notes (a lot of air) and that your lip is in (corners as well). Tightness helps for really high notes, but mostly what'll get you far is lip and support.

But if you are too tight, think of your lip as a cushion. If you have it too tight the reed can't vibrate to produce the right sound. It's a lot of stuff to think about, but it'll click eventually, and things will get easier and easier.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 9:59 am


Thanks everyone! I got a new ligature and my notes are a lot clearer. This is the strange thing though: I'm the only one that realizes these ghost tones are there before I tell my "audience" (i.e. band director, friend, parent, etc.). People don't notice and then once I tell them "Don't you even hear my horrible tone?!?!?!?! There's a slight ghost tone before each note!" Then I play a note for them and then they go "Oh yeah...I hear that" but look really puzzled. Hmmmmmmm.....

I've only been playing for a year and moved along quickly, so maybe these higher level pieces need experience of playing. I mean clarinet has become a lot easier over the year I've played....so I'll probably get it before auditions.

BTW Miyoko Clarinetti, thanks for all of your GREAT advice. Seriously, you're better than my band director....but then again I can play all the band instruments better than him so...yeah great band program we have whee . Anyways, I'm ALWAYS relaxed before concerts and auditions. This is my logic behind concerts:

MitosisK622
If you screw up, no one will notice. If they do notice, screw them because you play your instrument better than they ever will. But they won't notice. And besides, you're never going to mess up band music because you can sight read it better than the rest of the band.


This is my logic behind auditions:

MitosisK622
Stressing won't make you play any better at the audition. It'll only make you look like a ghost. If you think that stressing can make you lose weight, you need to go see a psychologist.



Thanks for all of your advice! (and when I say my bd thinks my embouchure is too tight, my notes came out sharp. But with this new ligature biggrin I'm not sharp anymore!!!!)

nbkczxig


Chocolate ish Good

PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:17 pm


whee yey! good for you!!

biggrin Wow, I've been playing for a year too whee , my advice was good..? BUAHAHAH O_o; I thought seventh graders never do give good advice o-O;;

anyways, the conductor may not point out that you have a horrible tone because you've played only for an year, unless they have high expectations because they think your fantabulous then they will...-o-;; (I don't think I'm great but my conductor does crying so...he has high expectations for me to meet...he's gonna kill me when he finds out I didn't practice everyday for winter break gonk ) anyways, o_O; interesting...well my band director is far more better then me x) he's like a model for all the other middle school BD's in cali (our conductor? buahaha that guy thats screaming at us right now? yeah thats him o_ov.)

friends and family don't want to hurt you, even though you accept your weaknesses they don't think you will maybe, they don't want to be cruel? also, your family might not even know a thing about music so its no use asking them...most of my family plays the piano so they can't help me on tone quality and such...

higher level of pieces also include alot of music theory I found out that just recently, I was looking over a song I got for symphonic band/wind ensemble and I found alot of scale runs and appregios, it made it more simpler for me, but I just have to practice my scales and appregios in slurs and in a quick tempo and I'll be great at the song!

so basically, you MUST know your scales, appregios and some music theory for high level music, since my middle school band plays alot of hard music (mostly in symphonic band, we play level 3-5 i think in seventh level 2-3) it's good to know music theory biggrin .

concerts I'm uber happy and dancing around like crazy and forcing myself to use sign language to shut up my section (yey for section leaders!!)--we had to be silent while warming up in the band room-- sent them death threats using some sign language ^.^

i'm slightly sharp, but it'sm my embouchures fault, its the chin...but mainly my clarinets fault, I'm gonna get an E11 this year whee

god I talk too much, sorry! I teach my friend the clarinet so I like to help when it comes to music whee and in the end i begin to talk ALOT O_O;


^_^v if you need any help or just want to chat with me, PM me! (I'm bored these days >.>)
PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:38 am


Me and my section leader ran into an issue about this with my instructor up at band camp. We were both auditioning for the PSYO and the piece had plenty of articulated 16th notes at 120bpm. Instead of using the syllabel tut for the staccatos, he told us using tit or teet would let us articulate faster with more control. It works well, but you need to practice it the same as you would with double tounging.

Chocovash3


Nieima

PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:28 am


You might need a new or stronger reed.
PostPosted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 8:45 am


well....you could tighten your embouchure, or try a different reed. also try to use more air, and make sure that its warm, and that your sitting up tall

rscp1050

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