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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 7:48 am
Anyone heard about the news story where the guy agreed to raise any children he and his wife had as Jewish and then, after they were divorced, decided to take his daughter to Catholic church? Now he may face jail time because the child's mother had a court order barring him from taking her to church, and he didn't just ignore it; he flaunted it, parading his daughter into church with a camera crew in tow.
Here's a version of the story on the Chicago Sun-Times: http://www.suntimes.com/news/24-7/2051606,reyes-custody-fight-religion-021710.article
He claims that although he converted to Judaism after they were married, it was only because of family pressure and that he never agreed to raise the children exclusively Jewish.
I want to know if he's right, how the wife ever got the restraining order in the first place.
I'm mainly on her side in this, because she got primary custody, and he only has visitation rights. However it happened, she did get the restraining order, and he shouldn't have violated it. Sure, he has the right to follow any religion he wants. And at one time, he had the right at one time to raise his child how he wanted. But as far as I can see, he clearly lost that right in the custody battle and in his behavior previous to and after the divorce.
Bottom line: he ignored a court order and should go to jail.
What are your thoughts on this?
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:21 am
Hm... I feel bad for him since he can't even expose his child to his religion. But it seems like his fault... Though I think he should just lose custody instead of facing jail time.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 10:32 am
He may have never formaly agreed to raise the kids Jewish but, to my knowledge, such things are passed through the mother in Jewish custom (correct me if I'm wrong on this). Because of that didn't he sort of agree to raise them in her religion when he converted? I'm not sure about jail time for it, but I do think he's in the wrong. If he wanted, he could make sure his kids are aware of his religion of choice so they could make their own decision when they get older but what he did was wrong. He could have tried figting it in a leagal matter but he chose not to so some form reprisal is in order.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:04 pm
I wonder how the Catholic community feels about this...the Church wouldn't support breaking any laws but not allowing a Catholic father to take his kid to Church? eek and somehow that's threating???
I must be missing something here...
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:22 pm
And what is the child's say in this? Is she a piece of meat? A pawn for their game? Real estate for religious ******** both of these people, let the kid choose her metaphysical beliefs.
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:25 pm
divineseraph And what is the child's say in this? Is she a piece of meat? A pawn for their game? Real estate for religious ******** both of these people, let the kid choose her metaphysical beliefs. This. ^
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Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2010 1:35 pm
Another religious battle? Damnit... Really, let the kids choose their own belief, don't go " < Insert belief here > is the true religion and the others are incorrect. PRAISE < Insert belief here > "
Problem here I find, is that the father is at more at fault if your looking at this from another point. The man knew he shouldn't have tried to disobey the restraining order, even though the kids should have the right in what they should believe, but the guy took a damn camera crew. He must have been ASKING for it.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:22 am
if it was in writing then he should be held to it.
otherwise it is just more "he said she said".
but i get irked when parents presume they can control the faith of their kids anyway.
now watch the kids grow up to rebel against both parents; what would be suitable?
wicca?
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:50 am
DaikonNairu -Ren- divineseraph And what is the child's say in this? Is she a piece of meat? A pawn for their game? Real estate for religious ******** both of these people, let the kid choose her metaphysical beliefs. This. ^ I'd just like to point out that the kid is only 3 years old, kids at that age don't typically spend time contemplating metaphysical realities...
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 12:57 am
Semiremis I'd just like to point out that the kid is only 3 years old, kids at that age don't typically spend time contemplating metaphysical realities... At three, perhaps not. But I remember at a very young age being dissatisfied with my parents' religion and not believing in it in the least.
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 9:57 am
This is completely ridiculous! No one should have to face jail time for taking their daughter to church. I don't care if the mother is one religion and the father is another, it doesn't matter! It's not like he took her to some satanic cult.
Also, the government shouldn't be involved in any way. It should be illegal to court order someone to not take their children to church.
What's next? Are people going to start being fined for allowing their children to take friends to church with them?
Are more parents going to start dragging their ex husbands/wives to court because they are atheists and their ex took their kids to church?
What if a mother is religious and the father isn't. If they get divorced and the father only gets custody every other weekend. Is the mother going to be allowed to get a court order saying that the father must take the children to church on Sunday when he has them?
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Posted: Sat Feb 27, 2010 10:05 am
This sounds like an ugly divorce, and now drama. But I dont think either really cares about the religious influence of the child. They seem to be using the child to spite each other.
She uses the child as a way to control his actions. He uses the child to piss her off purposely. They both should be ashamed, thats their child - not some piece of material crap.
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