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 Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 10:51 pm
NOTE: This was inspired by the Homosexuality thread.
Because of this i am giving the EXAMPLE of homosexuality. But please not this is NOT another homosexuality debate. A lot of liberals in the in Abrahamic faiths (myself included!) Like to have the opinion that homosexuality is okay, and that its even not a sinful/haram thing to do, when Leviticus and the book of Lot are pretty clear that it is NOT acceptable. I am unsure what the Torah says, and where. Jews: Feel free to give your insight.
My point is....Is it okay to ignore the parts of the Holy books we dont like? Eventhough as religious people we try out best to follow it.
Do you think these commandments are "outdated"?
This issue has plagued me for some time.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:11 pm
If possible, can you provide the particular instances in these books and give a basic idea of the context? Just so we know what we're working from.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:12 pm
To ignore the parts of a religion you don't like?
Well, there are branches of different religion and that was created by looking at the bad parts of a religion and adding in what you think you would like.
But hey, a belief is a belief.
Accept what you want.
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Posted: Sun Feb 14, 2010 11:13 pm
Captain_Shinzo To ignore the parts of a religion you don't like?
Well, there are branches of different religion and that was created by looking at the bad parts of a religion and adding in what you think you would like.
But hey, a belief is a belief.
Accept what you want.
I mean, it goes against my main beliefs but I don't see why pork would be so dangerous.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:16 am
I think sometimes people just interpret differently, so if they're wrong, I feel it can't really be held against them since they truly believed they were right. Other times, I think people believe it's wrong but figure "well I'm doing everything else right, so one disobedience won't be so bad".
Btw, I'm not referring to homosexuality in this case, but to forbidden things in general.
Though, as to your question as to if it is outdated, I think no command of God can be outdated, but I do think it's ok to take a second look at any rule one is given. I know some people say it's wrong to do so, but I think that only applies to falsely stretching the meaning to suit one's agenda. I think sometimes one must consider the historical context and think about what a passage really means. God gave instructions to everyone, not just scholars, so everyone has a right and responsibility to study and understand for themselves.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 11:55 am
I think this depends on several things...
First off it varies with religion, some religions do not require you to know and follow everything....
Secondly it depends on why you are excluding certain books, for instance some Christians only follow the new testament because if Jesus died for their sins why should they follow the old testament. However, if they are doing it to avoid following a rule, to enforce a rule on others, or to use the religion t get others to folow them (cult leaders ect..) then they are wrong...
And lastly if they are just interpretting the books differently then that is fine..
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:05 pm
Leviticus is in the Torah.
And anyway, people do this all the time. That verse in Leviticus says, right after calling it an abomination, that anyone caught performing such 'crimes' must be put to death. People quote the first part of the same verse, while ignoring the rest of it.
I don't know, I'm not a religious person so my view might be flawed. But not everything written 2000 years ago can still work today. You can respect tradition, but also keep in mind that the world we live in is changing.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:08 pm
It depends. Do you believe that God is constant, or that you can disregard scriptures based on the current culture?
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:29 pm
If you're going to pick and choose what you think the scriptures are wrong or right about, doesn't that show that your morality isn't really dependent on the Bible?
Why not just go by what you think is right then?
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 12:54 pm
Artto If you're going to pick and choose what you think the scriptures are wrong or right about, doesn't that show that your morality isn't really dependent on the Bible? Why not just go by what you think is right then?
It has a simple idea, but which religion to choose?
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:18 pm
Call Me Apple My point is....Is it okay to ignore the parts of the Holy books we dont like? Eventhough as religious people we try out best to follow it. In my case parts of my Holy Texts are not being ignored, but reinterpreted in light of new understanding within the context and history of the text in question. Though my case is unique in that Gnosticism doesn't have a unified canon. Quote: Do you think these commandments are "outdated"? No but their interpretation if not consistent with the nature of the god/s in question and context of the original culture might be.
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Posted: Mon Feb 15, 2010 4:26 pm
I do not think that it is okay to pick and choose which parts of Scripture you believe in. It is God's Word, and it is perfect. If I am having problems with God's Word, then it is all on me -- not God or his Word because he is perfect, unlike me. It is my own sin and folly if I deny any part of his Word.
But it's not easy. As a Christian, though, I know I am forgiven. As a Christian Calvinist, I know that I cannot lose my salvation no matter what I do, and I cannot add to or take away from God's perfect love for me.
...That way, I do not have to get all hyped up on whether I am being religious or not, especially since the Bible says that good works without faith are dirty rags. My religion and religion tendencies to think that I have to do something for God to love me is disgusting to God.
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