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 Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:48 pm
Mr Crawley Movies like Precious are bad for black people's overall image to other races. Remember, white people generally get most of their ideas and info about black people from various media.. not from black people themselves. They see whatever movie/news story/hear whatever song.. And then have one of those chance encounters with someone who fits the image to a T and then they apply it across the board. Because with your own kind you see the differences.. with others... you tend to miss them very often. White people (and black people unfortunately) are in love with the idea of an angry, loud, fat black woman. To the point where everyone thinks that's how it's supposed to be. It's not a good look. Precious is based on the novel Push which is based on the author's life. It isn't as if someone wrote the script with stereotypes in mind. That is how the characters happened to look. I think people should categorize Precious as a movie about an abuse victim and not as a movie which shows black people in a negative light. I read the book a while ago but I haven't seen the movie so I don't know if they changed anything. What I've seen from the trailers pretty much matches what I read. Though I do agree with your statement about white people (or any other race actually) getting their info about black people from the media, movies, etc., I just wanted to make a comment about the movie.
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Posted: Tue Oct 12, 2010 9:09 pm
LilacBubbleGum Mr Crawley Movies like Precious are bad for black people's overall image to other races. Remember, white people generally get most of their ideas and info about black people from various media.. not from black people themselves. They see whatever movie/news story/hear whatever song.. And then have one of those chance encounters with someone who fits the image to a T and then they apply it across the board. Because with your own kind you see the differences.. with others... you tend to miss them very often. White people (and black people unfortunately) are in love with the idea of an angry, loud, fat black woman. To the point where everyone thinks that's how it's supposed to be. It's not a good look. Precious is based on the novel Push which is based on the author's life. It isn't as if someone wrote the script with stereotypes in mind. That is how the characters happened to look. I think people should categorize Precious as a movie about an abuse victim and not as a movie which shows black people in a negative light. I read the book a while ago but I haven't seen the movie so I don't know if they changed anything. What I've seen from the trailers pretty much matches what I read. Though I do agree with your statement about white people (or any other race actually) getting their info about black people from the media, movies, etc., I just wanted to make a comment about the movie. Does anyone else feel like that issue kind of puts blacks (and anyone else who isn't white) in a bad spot? All movies with black people have to be perfectly positive, or they aren't realistic. And if it's too gritty, then it's toxic and will make the white people scared of us. And comedy's bad because it makes us all look like jokes. We just can't win can we :/ .
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:33 am
apiyo LilacBubbleGum Mr Crawley Movies like Precious are bad for black people's overall image to other races. Remember, white people generally get most of their ideas and info about black people from various media.. not from black people themselves. They see whatever movie/news story/hear whatever song.. And then have one of those chance encounters with someone who fits the image to a T and then they apply it across the board. Because with your own kind you see the differences.. with others... you tend to miss them very often. White people (and black people unfortunately) are in love with the idea of an angry, loud, fat black woman. To the point where everyone thinks that's how it's supposed to be. It's not a good look. Precious is based on the novel Push which is based on the author's life. It isn't as if someone wrote the script with stereotypes in mind. That is how the characters happened to look. I think people should categorize Precious as a movie about an abuse victim and not as a movie which shows black people in a negative light. I read the book a while ago but I haven't seen the movie so I don't know if they changed anything. What I've seen from the trailers pretty much matches what I read. Though I do agree with your statement about white people (or any other race actually) getting their info about black people from the media, movies, etc., I just wanted to make a comment about the movie. Does anyone else feel like that issue kind of puts blacks (and anyone else who isn't white) in a bad spot? All movies with black people have to be perfectly positive, or they aren't realistic. And if it's too gritty, then it's toxic and will make the white people scared of us. And comedy's bad because it makes us all look like jokes. We just can't win can we :/ .
We can't win cause we don't control. Sure we can write, fund, and even direct and star in the movie. But we aren't the gatekeepers or the marketers nor we the majority that will see the film. See personally, I did enjoy Boyz in the Hood as well as Baby Boy because it was realistic though I though people who have little to no understand of what its like growing up in those types of environment probably took it at face value and that's the problem. It's not so much the movies it's our half a** society that can't seem to finish s**t like the race issue or more importantly the class issue...
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Posted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 11:07 pm
Princess Z-M
It's not so much the movies it's our half a** society that can't seem to finish s**t like the race issue or more importantly the class issue... There will be no end to the race issue nor the class issue. This is the trade-off we have in order to live in a somewhat decent society. Unless of course you want a world like 1984. They figured it out. Racism & Class warfare amongst the people where they could recognize it were a thing of the past. At the expense of a lot of people.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:34 pm
Mr Crawley Princess Z-M
It's not so much the movies it's our half a** society that can't seem to finish s**t like the race issue or more importantly the class issue... There will be no end to the race issue nor the class issue. This is the trade-off we have in order to live in a somewhat decent society. Unless of course you want a world like 1984. They figured it out. Racism & Class warfare amongst the people where they could recognize it were a thing of the past. At the expense of a lot of people.
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2011 9:38 pm
Princess Z-M You do notice they are no people of color in that book or movie? They killed them all. Anyway it could be solved but that would mean less money and power for the elites of the world. What are you talking about? They didn't kill all the people of color. East Asia was at war with Oceania at one time. And Africa was not conquered as a whole yet, It only seemed like it was going to be at the end. they were fighting over it. Those places that were not conquered were just battlegrounds.. territories to temporarily control and use the people for slave labor. Another thing.. The book isn't about *race*. So I will let them pass with no black people in the movie or black people worth mentioning. Because black, white, brown.. has nothing to do with the book. And the issue of nationality and race was actually talked about in the book. It said that race and nationality has no bearing on anything and that the upper and lower party classes of Oceania are determined by intellect, behavior, and surveillance. People are chosen for their ability to carry on the ideals of the party.
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2011 1:40 pm
Princess Z-M Yes but I agure how many people actually learn anything in these 28-29 days? Do you really non-Blacks are watching all these HBO specials? Or looking at CNN's Being Black in America? I mean seriously you go on internet forums and people are actually debating that Blacks don't have their own culture that there's no difference between White and Black culture anymore. We have too many people who firmly believe that All or MOST black people are supposed to live in the ghetto, have baby mama drama, and only listen to rap music. I don't see the educational factor happening among my non-Black peers here, there or anywhere. People still don't know James Baldwin, Niki Giovanni, or Toni Morrison are and those books will blow away most of the crap being produced in today's book market and I WILL say they are better than stuffy old Shakespeare crap. Hell you still have people believing that Rock was started by the ******** Beatles and Elvis. So what's the point of all this if the only people who kind of benefit from this are the same people who not only in the same culture but the same ones that actively search for these stories of Black empowerment? ***Just saw this lmao Just because something does not completely work, does not mean we should get rid of it. It began in 1915, and while 100 years should seem like plenty of time, look at where we are. It took the American system so long to free slaves, give them rights to make them feel legit, and provide a sense of safety to the point that you don't suspect that a person can just lynch you out of the blue (even though it can happen the probability is smaller)....I mean what if they had revoked the Emancipation Proclamation, just because it did not provide the perfect 180 degree flip? We just need to be paitent. As far as the other arguments about other races. It would be nice if we could share our voices, and treat it as though a cultural awareness. Push other races, so maybe instead of us just talking about how there is a lack thereof, we start a movement and bring knowledge to the areas we are.
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Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:11 am
Which brings be back to the stupid let's change Huck finn so White America can feel better about slaverly. Yet at the same time this s**t is okay? Hey I won a chinagirl in a poker game. They actually showed this s**t during the holidays on TVland. As a woman I was deeply offended. But hey they took the N-word out a book that was actually against the mistreatment of Black and used in a satirical way. YAY Liberal racists can sleep well.
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:42 am
Princess Z-M It's getting to a point that like Kwanzaa. I am really, really starting to hate 28-29 months out the year every year. All these companies and Networks using Blacks as just to sell equality like its a cheap and ugly product to be sold. That's what I believe they are doing. From Apple to ******** VW all these places just using Blacks to peddle products (or not) however after this month its back to the same s**t all over again. White models showing only white families buying white base products again. Why is that we don't celebrate Asian History Month, Latino, Middle Eastern, or here's a fresh idea what not Native Americans? Let's not forget Women, Children, and all the other months we have but aren't as published and newsworthy as Black History Month. I would really, really like it we didn't still try to act like this country is so Black and White. Asians helped win WWII and built our railroads, Latinos gave us vast majority of the land (well we stole it but still had it not been for them we wouldn't have as much food as we have had) Native Americans kept the Whites from starving half the damn time, and who's know how many ways Middle Eastern help this country? Still it just pisses me off that Black History Month is the only recognized ethnic month out of the whole year that everyone and everything talks about and how its becoming more commercial than anything. Besides, we had this month for HOW LONG and students across the board are still ******** clueless about any REAL Black History! Besides Black History (as with all the other histories) are AMERICAN HISTORY! It's not like white people don't eat peanut butter, use stop lights, have open heart surgery, use fountain pens, mow their lawn, and I dunno all the other everyday objects that Blacks have either improved on or plain out invented. Well Umm first of all latino's i believe have their own month or is it day, but who cares because they really havent done anything of major signifcance for this country or at least not yet....second of all asians(chinese your referring to really) didnt want to build the railroads or need to build the railroads for us it was indentured servitude when they lost a war between the brits and the french and america aiding in the war got some spoils in the form of...indentured servants. As for other groups of Asian people I dont really know if anything they have really done for this country. Middle Eastern people have not done anything for this country...or at least not yet. Dont even get me started on a native american day or moth that would be like the white man admitting he raped and pillaged the native inhabitants of this country after they helped them to survive....and lets be honest white people have enough hard of a time admitting what they did to us. We have a black history month because we have suffered most horribly at the hands of the honky devil(besides native americans) and triumphed we had the race rallies that made it a little bit safer for other ethnicities to come over here live in a somewhat peacefully. It was a black man that said I have a dream that all people are cretead equal...yada yada ya blah blah blah i forgot the rest of the quote but you know what I mean. It was was him and other people like him...who were mostly black who pioneered race relations in this country, not some hispanic, not some asian, not some middle eastern dude...a black person and thats why we have a whole month, because we're ******** badass. Now as for these honky devils who are trying to market s**t well what can i say thats corporate american for you these days everybody's doing it not just the whiteman.
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:43 am
Sir BlackHeart Princess Z-M It's getting to a point that like Kwanzaa. I am really, really starting to hate 28-29 months out the year every year. All these companies and Networks using Blacks as just to sell equality like its a cheap and ugly product to be sold. That's what I believe they are doing. From Apple to ******** VW all these places just using Blacks to peddle products (or not) however after this month its back to the same s**t all over again. White models showing only white families buying white base products again. Why is that we don't celebrate Asian History Month, Latino, Middle Eastern, or here's a fresh idea what not Native Americans? Let's not forget Women, Children, and all the other months we have but aren't as published and newsworthy as Black History Month. I would really, really like it we didn't still try to act like this country is so Black and White. Asians helped win WWII and built our railroads, Latinos gave us vast majority of the land (well we stole it but still had it not been for them we wouldn't have as much food as we have had) Native Americans kept the Whites from starving half the damn time, and who's know how many ways Middle Eastern help this country? Still it just pisses me off that Black History Month is the only recognized ethnic month out of the whole year that everyone and everything talks about and how its becoming more commercial than anything. Besides, we had this month for HOW LONG and students across the board are still ******** clueless about any REAL Black History! Besides Black History (as with all the other histories) are AMERICAN HISTORY! It's not like white people don't eat peanut butter, use stop lights, have open heart surgery, use fountain pens, mow their lawn, and I dunno all the other everyday objects that Blacks have either improved on or plain out invented. Well Umm first of all latino's i believe have their own month or is it day, but who cares because they really havent done anything of major signifcance for this country or at least not yet....second of all asians(chinese your referring to really) didnt want to build the railroads or need to build the railroads for us it was indentured servitude when they lost a war between the brits and the french and america aiding in the war got some spoils in the form of...indentured servants. As for other groups of Asian people I dont really know if anything they have really done for this country. Middle Eastern people have not done anything for this country...or at least not yet. Dont even get me started on a native american day or moth that would be like the white man admitting he raped and pillaged the native inhabitants of this country after they helped them to survive....and lets be honest white people have enough hard of a time admitting what they did to us. We have a black history month because we have suffered most horribly at the hands of the honky devil(besides native americans) and triumphed we had the race rallies that made it a little bit safer for other ethnicities to come over here live in a somewhat peacefully. It was a black man that said I have a dream that all people are cretead equal...yada yada ya blah blah blah i forgot the rest of the quote but you know what I mean. It was was him and other people like him...who were mostly black who pioneered race relations in this country, not some hispanic, not some asian, not some middle eastern dude...a black person and thats why we have a whole month, because we're ******** badass. Now as for these honky devils who are trying to market s**t well what can i say thats corporate american for you these days everybody's doing it not just the whiteman. Damn that was a long post I kinda went on a rant there. razz
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:48 am
Foxprincess09 Think about what is being taught in schools. In World History what do you learn about? European History? U.S. History? Asian History??? How many people can honestly name 5 black inventors and what they evented? The month was made to show people that blacks have also contributed to U.S. history. No where in the classes we have now focus on the impact of black people on society. Did you know it was a black man who made the stoplight (Garret A. Morgan)? Throughout the whole year we focus on many other things and when Black History Month was made we were still in the era when people of black heritage never heard anything, there weren't even African Amer. Study courses. Granted now we have evolved (for the most part) to where we have more cultures in the U.S. Now I understand the black history month should not just be a month it should be incorporated all year long to blend with everyone else, but it hasn't been. If you walk into a school and ask who is W. E. B. Du Bois, or James Weldon Johnson very few would be able to answer. And if you ask them where they learned it even fewer would say the school system. *** I would suggest reading some books by Tim Wise. Because before I read his books I would have so agreed with you but he makes valid points about everything. 3nodding I totally agree with your answer it's alot less rantish than mine. heart
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:24 pm
So my little Black History Challenge.
For the month of February, I challenged myself that on my facebook and twitter I would have statuses that had some random black fact of the day. And at the end of each week write a note about something dealing with the culture. And that I may even throw in some random questions about race to generate epic discussion.
I decided this year I wanna try to be apart of the solution, instead of talking about how this black history month thing is going nowhere.
I would ask you all to see if you would too like to participate. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Feb 05, 2011 5:04 am
Foxprincess09 So my little Black History Challenge. For the month of February, I challenged myself that on my facebook and twitter I would have statuses that had some random black fact of the day. And at the end of each week write a note about something dealing with the culture. And that I may even throw in some random questions about race to generate epic discussion. I decided this year I wanna try to be apart of the solution, instead of talking about how this black history month thing is going nowhere. I would ask you all to see if you would too like to participate. 3nodding I was actually going to do here on Gaia but its already the fifth and the people on the ED are morons. So I was going to do in my journal but no one really reads those. I haven't been on FB or Twitter in a while. Hmm I am not even sure if I didn't close them down.
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