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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:02 pm


So, I'm trying to create a manga. What comes first in my mind? The story, so I was thinking ...or trying to think of a story and some characters. Help me find a spark?
I draw and write fiction. I hope thats enough to get a few ideas
PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:05 pm


Maybe I just really suck at finding characters ;-;

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:45 pm


~First figure out what sub genre you want- i.e., horror, romance, comedy, adventure, etc.

~Start with characters: You don't FIND. You create. Write what you know- i.e., stem characters off of other characters or yourself, but DO NOTcopy them or make yourself into a character. That's plagiarism and really BAD for you.

A few questions to get you started after you've chosen the basic template of your character: 1.)What is their motive (what do they want)? Where are they from? What's their orientation, religion, hair color, skin type, etc?

Disclaimer: The name comes last!

~ Plot: Base it off the characters wants and motives. Create conflict and opposition that way. Try to think of everything you can to get in the way of your characters wants. Of course, you want them to get what they want so devise a way for them to get that despite all odds. You need to make it a struggle for your character or it's not very fun to read. Make for character based changes versus plot changes. It's more interesting and it's harder to do. Challenge yourself. smile

I hope that helped, despite the fact that it gave you no ideas whatsoever.
PostPosted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:47 pm



Another tip: No Mary Sue characters.


baby ilu


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2010 7:44 am


WellThatsAwkward
~First figure out what sub genre you want- i.e., horror, romance, comedy, adventure, etc.

~Start with characters: You don't FIND. You create. Write what you know- i.e., stem characters off of other characters or yourself, but DO NOTcopy them or make yourself into a character. That's plagiarism and really BAD for you.

A few questions to get you started after you've chosen the basic template of your character: 1.)What is their motive (what do they want)? Where are they from? What's their orientation, religion, hair color, skin type, etc?

Disclaimer: The name comes last!

~ Plot: Base it off the characters wants and motives. Create conflict and opposition that way. Try to think of everything you can to get in the way of your characters wants. Of course, you want them to get what they want so devise a way for them to get that despite all odds. You need to make it a struggle for your character or it's not very fun to read. Make for character based changes versus plot changes. It's more interesting and it's harder to do. Challenge yourself. smile

I hope that helped, despite the fact that it gave you no ideas whatsoever.


she says it best.. ^_^
PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:37 pm


I wouldn't know much on "manga"
but I prefer to focus on a setting, before the charecters, the charecters should relate to the setting, manga is what art and writing right? japanese(sp) graphic novel?
I would subjest making something your comfotable with, You'll find more twists and turns to add along the way.
just remember every idea is a good idea.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:56 pm


baby ilu

Another tip: No Mary Sue characters.


I have to disagree with this post. There's no such thing as a Mary-Sue, just the wrong context. What might be "mary-sue" in one setting might not be in a different one. There is no way to create a totally perfect character.

@ OP: Graphic novel. You are writing a graphic novel. It is not a manga unless it is Japanese, even if it's drawn in that art style. And Babelfish doesn't count.

As for characters, good luck creating them. It's not that hard, but unless you search deep in your mind you're not going to "find" any of them. ^.^
PostPosted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 4:56 pm


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baby ilu

Another tip: No Mary Sue characters.


I have to disagree with this post. There's no such thing as a Mary-Sue, just the wrong context. What might be "mary-sue" in one setting might not be in a different one. There is no way to create a totally perfect character.

@ OP: Graphic novel. You are writing a graphic novel. It is not a manga unless it is Japanese, even if it's drawn in that art style. And Babelfish doesn't count.

As for characters, good luck creating them. It's not that hard, but unless you search deep in your mind you're not going to "find" any of them. ^.^


Oh, there are most definitely Mary-Sues. Fanfiction is chockful of them. I don't think it's context so much as wishful thinking, IMO.

But on the graphic novel, do you plan to draw it yourself? Or hire an artist? Do a collab? Do you know how to write a script? Give directions for framing? Coming up with a story is comparatively easy.

If you have the skills, there will be tons of people willing to collaborate with you on stories even if you can't come up with a plot/chara by yourself.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 8:05 am


xFallenMisery
baby ilu

Another tip: No Mary Sue characters.


I have to disagree with this post. There's no such thing as a Mary-Sue, just the wrong context. What might be "mary-sue" in one setting might not be in a different one. There is no way to create a totally perfect character.


I'm going to disagree with this disagreement. biggrin There IS such a character type as a Mary Sue. It's kind of a trope in itself. And I've actually seen circumstances where this character can work. Honor Harrington and Victor Cachet from David Weber's stuff, for example (BTW if you look at "Godmod Sue" on TV Tropes EVERY SINGLE ENTRY in literature mentions Victor Cachat). Also Sherlock Holmes and The Doctor from Dr. Who. Basically, it's a character who is special. Not just going through hard times, but deeply and uniquely significant in a way no other character measures up to. So very much so that the story isn't just about them. They dominate it.

Frankly, my theory is not that Mary Sues are bad characters, but that they're the only functioning thing in an otherwise broken story. It's like being the tallest tree in a field. When you're the only thing of interest in a story, the pissed off reader is going to latch on to you as the problem. You might not be, but you're the only thing they can see with any clarity. In a lot of the examples I see, the writer knows their writing isn't good enough. They try to fix it by latching on to the only interesting thing in the story and making it even more interesting, which just makes the tree get taller and the lightening more apt to take it out. If you want your "tree" to be safe you have to make sure the rest of the forest is just as high.

That's when a Mary Sue fails. Getting the right mix is a lot of work, and you'll find yourself constantly rethinking things, re-testing different sections to make sure it's not overpowering. It's not pleasant writing good action scenes, or negative characters, or dangerous ones, and because Mary Sues also tend to be self-inserts, you're really reluctant to put them in real danger.You'd be putting yourself in danger. World-building is boring, and it can be a lot of work to properly develop every single character as much as you need to. H.H., Sherlock and The Doctor are successful because their writers put the work in. They DO put them in real trouble. They also have a well rounded support cast who get almost as much development as they do, and when the manure hits the fan, they really need those supporting characters to fill in their blind spots. Also, for every significant gain they make, they have an equally significant loss. Honor tends to lose things like friends and limbs in every novel, for example. And when the stakes are high, they are HIGH. Sometimes "Oh crap, we're gonna lose the universe" level of high. Because if you're gonna have a Very Special Snowflake in the story, you have to have a Very Special Fire to put them at risk with.

So to answer the OP's original question, and I should say this is just CW's Theories on Writing and should be consumed with a grain of salt, you start this way: Pick out two stories you want to tell. Make one a Macro-cosmic kind of story (think Lord of the Rings, American Civil War, Earthquakes and Volcanos) and one a micro-cosmic kind of story, like a love story or a finding-yourself story. This way your main character has a personal goal, but your entire cast will also have a goal and will have to work towards the Macrocosmic stuff as a team. Then pick your main character by first picking the traits they'd have to have to accomplish both the Macrocosmic and microcosmic goals, and then picking a few traits that will be in direct conflict with your first set. Like if you're telling a mystery story, have your main character be really smart and good at piecing puzzles together, but disorganized so they keep losing important clues in the couch or something. Give them Primary Support Cast (this is usually a love interest) Secondary Support cast, Antagonist, Antagonist Cast, and the bit roles that will flesh out the story. Have some of the Support Cast have microcosmic goals at odds with your MC's micro-goal. Develop setting as needed, and then write the story.

And then put it away for a while. Even if it's just a comic strip script, put it down for a couple of months before you come back to it. Stuff will jump out at you the second time around. For example, I gave the MC in my novel a fake knee joint just to hold her back a bit, and on the second read-through I realized that if she lost the leg at the end (due to the many physical things she'll be doing as well as some character-related stupidity) it'd balance out the number of good things she's going to get when the story's over. That's why you always re-write. It's not so much to catch mistakes like misspellings and things like a ten-foot pole being eight feet long for a paragraph. It's so you can figure out which scenes to cut, which ones to strengthen, and the nine million opportunities for character and world building you missed the first time you wrote it. I've edited my novel six times, and I only just figured out how to fix a major character development problem in the last couple of weeks. And if I hadn't done those other six edits, I wouldn't have gotten it strong enough to realize that this area was a problem.

Also: Nobody cares what your characters look like. Nobody cares about their hair, or their clothes, or their tragic backstory, or their name. At least, not at first. First, we need to care about who they are, right now, and what they're doing, right now. Then we need to care about where they're going, and it's only after we have those two things set in stone (that we care about this person and their goals) that we start thinking about things like looks and history. So even if your main character turns into an ax murderer halfway through your first scene, focus on making him or her immediately likable on page one. You can shift to unlikable scumbag later.

One final note: Your first page, be it a novel, short story, comic book or whatever, should introduce the main character AND the essentials of his or her character. If it's a novel, I suggest having the main character and their most essential character trait shown in the first paragraph. The reason is, character development starts the second the character is "onscreen", whether the writer likes it or not, and the audience will assume they've gotten the essentials by the time the first scene is over. This is all subconscious stuff and it's not something you can control. If you don't start with a positive and important character trait immediately, the reader/viewer will latch onto the inadvertent stuff you didn't catch, and that's usually something negative, like selfishness. And you don't get a do-over. Again, this is why I suggest writing at least your first arc out, and then rewriting. You can figure out where you're going, and once you know that, you'll know where to start.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 1:03 pm


baby ilu

Another tip: No Mary Sue characters.



no anti sue characters either. they agitate me...

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 04, 2011 4:01 pm


Ah, I've got a really good site that will help you!

http://www.ehow.com/how_2263203_character-personality-writing.html
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