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 Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2010 4:20 am
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100115/ap_on_re_eu/eu_france_forbidding_the_veilSome points to think about as you discuss: -Growing anti-Arab and anti-Muslim sentiment in Europe. -Is it right to ban something that goes against your country's values, even if it is done with the consent of those participating? -The varied interpretations of Islam's head/face-covering rules. -Is the full-body veil an actual religious value or is it encouraged by a masochist establishment for its own ends?
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:13 pm
I take offense to the premise of women having to cover themselves... forced modesty is just another form of repression.
I have a friend who married a Muslim gentleman and explained to me that she found it very romantic - men are just these big, powerful creatures that cannot control themselves at the temptation of the sight of a beautiful woman.
My answer was that - as this was the man's issue and not the woman's, the men should go through life blindfolded... Problem solved.
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 1:46 pm
I feel that though I don't agree with the idea of the Islamic head coverings, it is their culture and religious view to do so. As for banning the veil, I am shocked that france would be doing this, they usually are very much about freedoms, and may be a slippery slope if you ask me. As for the the idea of supperiority, in a way it can be. It is more that the men are raised that way, not that they want to be supperior. If they were raised to believe the women in the area were supperier, and the men were to have their faces covered they would go along with it. It just has to do with how their culture works. They still have male leaders as their focus, and may over time allow women to have higher positions. And they aren't blindfolded, it is more like blinders on the side of a horse's head.
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 2:18 pm
To each his own. A clothing ban is stupid and meaningless -- there are better things to worry about.
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:49 pm
Edible Jennann I take offense to the premise of women having to cover themselves... forced modesty is just another form of repression.
I have a friend who married a Muslim gentleman and explained to me that she found it very romantic - men are just these big, powerful creatures that cannot control themselves at the temptation of the sight of a beautiful woman.
My answer was that - as this was the man's issue and not the woman's, the men should go through life blindfolded... Problem solved. Yes, it is a horrible and chauvinistic standard. But is it right to ban it altogether? Is that not almost as bad as requiring it?
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Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 11:14 am
You know technically in the U.S wearing masks or anything that covers your face entirely is illegal except on Halloween. So if you were to take that law literally than wearing the burqa is already illegal here.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 8:50 pm
Lethkhar Edible Jennann I take offense to the premise of women having to cover themselves... forced modesty is just another form of repression.
I have a friend who married a Muslim gentleman and explained to me that she found it very romantic - men are just these big, powerful creatures that cannot control themselves at the temptation of the sight of a beautiful woman.
My answer was that - as this was the man's issue and not the woman's, the men should go through life blindfolded... Problem solved. Yes, it is a horrible and chauvinistic standard. But is it right to ban it altogether? Is that not almost as bad as requiring it? Well, I suppose there is the question of religious freedoms. No matter how archaic the customs seem... Unless they are harmful.... but honestly, I'm not sure this isn't because I believe its use, if not original intent, is still to subjugate women.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 9:13 pm
Lotus_Lakshmi You know technically in the U.S wearing masks or anything that covers your face entirely is illegal except on Halloween. So if you were to take that law literally than wearing the burqa is already illegal here. Actually, that's only in West Virginia.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:32 pm
Edible Jennann Lethkhar Edible Jennann I take offense to the premise of women having to cover themselves... forced modesty is just another form of repression.
I have a friend who married a Muslim gentleman and explained to me that she found it very romantic - men are just these big, powerful creatures that cannot control themselves at the temptation of the sight of a beautiful woman.
My answer was that - as this was the man's issue and not the woman's, the men should go through life blindfolded... Problem solved. Yes, it is a horrible and chauvinistic standard. But is it right to ban it altogether? Is that not almost as bad as requiring it? Well, I suppose there is the question of religious freedoms. No matter how archaic the customs seem... Unless they are harmful.... but honestly, I'm not sure this isn't because I believe its use, if not original intent, is still to subjugate women.
Forced modesty is wrong. But so is the opposite. The choice whether or not to dress in modesty shouldn't be taken away, no matter which side the government takes.
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Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 2:11 pm
Bad move France.
I think the veil isn't the best tradition, but I also believe in secularism.
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Posted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 8:05 pm
While the veil is oppressive and a symbol of the oppression of women in moslem culture, banning it does nothing to free the women subjugated, but in fact does the opposite. By banning the veil, you are depriving those that wear it and see it as necessary, and those that are forced to wear it on pain of 'honor killing,' of the opportunity to engage with the rest of society. by banning the veil in public places, you are depriving women who are already subjugated of the right to social intercourse with the rest of the country, both isolating them within the oppressive culture, and enhancing the authority that culture has over them by depriving them of 'liberating' influences. "Contrary to liberal claims that banning the veil is designed to integrate Muslims into society, bans will lead to expulsions of Muslim women from schools, universities and the workforce, which will reinforce their isolation and oppression. *"
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