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 Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 7:21 am
So, Behemoth, 'thanks' to Nergal's relations with the currently biggest pop-star in Poland, has been eventually discussed by Radio Maryja.
Now, Radio Maryja is an extreme catholic radio, ran by a brother of the Congregation of the Most Holy Redeemer. This radio is very controversial due to direct expressing of hate towards Jews or homosexuals.
Now, back to Behemoth. The radio had a discussion on the song entitled Chwała Mordercom Wojciecha (off Pandemonic Incantations). The title means - Hail the Killers of Wojciech. Basically they criticized it heavily: Are we going to allow others to spit in our faces again?
Wojciech here is the catholic Saint Wojciech, the patron of Poland. He was on a mission in then pagan Prussia (East Prussia). He got killed after he officiated at a christian mass organized in the most sacred for the pagan Prussians field called Romowe (and he did that after the Prussians asked him to leave their land five days earlier, or they would have to kill him).
The reaction of internet forums on portals informing about the Radio Maryja Behemoth discussion? Putting the equality sign between those who killed Wojciech and those who murdered father Popiełuszko (a man who organized resistance against the communist regime in Poland in the 80s, murdered by members of the communist security service).
Do you also have a feeling that this world is still not so civilized? You still can't artistically express the feelings of people who lived 1000 years ago?! Why?
Just to mention: I'm an atheist. I don't mean this thread to be against any religious beliefs. I just don't understand why people who say they believe in gods that want them to be good, are so full with hatred.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:10 am
I think because most Christians these days feel like they're under constant attack, so they tend to get violently defensive.
Also, I think believing they have a moral superiority makes a lot of members of any religion judgmental and self-righteous.
It's sad, but I've seen Christians read whole chapters of the bible about loving your fellow man and not judging others, and they still walk away thinking that hatred and judgment of non-Christians is what God wants. It's like there's some maniacal fixation on showing how evil everybody else is. I actually have several relatives like this. They sit around talking about how we should stone gays, how we should kill all Muslims, how the end is nigh because Obama is the Anti-Christ, and about a thousand other similar things. Sadly, they don't see that what they are doing is wrong. They see it as cleansing evil from the earth.
In case it sounds like I'm bashing religion, I should mention that I am a Christian myself. But Jesus said loving God and loving each other where the most important things we can do, and unfortunately listening to the bible seems to be rare amongst Christians these days.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:01 pm
VOLVY IS CREDIT TO RELIGION
The Catholic Church is legendary for cognitive dissonance and selective perception on a massive scale. It's laughable how easy it is to find instances of atrocities visited on innocents by the CC or its name, yet the "true believers" will just block it out and continue railing against anything they deem offensive to their religion, like Volvy said. And I'm not even going to get into the whole "freedom of expression" thing.
I also find it amusing that the people of Poland seem to be so willing to rush to the defense of the Catholic Church, as the CC tacitly supported (or, at least, didn't forthrightly condemn) Hitler's regime. How fleeting people's memory of history is. While there may be some respectable individuals within the CC, the institution as a whole is rotten to the foundation.
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Posted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:16 pm
That's what I'm saying? Why religious people can't be like Volvy or Hollow? Respecting others, hell, even loving people who live in sin, according to their believes/rules of their religion. Trying to understand other beliefs etc.
And Ash - here you are wrong. Polish people know nothing about what Vatican did or did not during WWII. What is important here is that this has been a Catholic country for a thousand years. That these people here were accused of being Pagan by the Western Europe and had to defend their right in the name of God. That Catholic Church for these people here was the only and last line of defence against the communist regime. And finally - that this nation here gave the world one of the best popes in the history. A pope who was able to at least partly restore the importance of Vatican in the world - a pope who was loved by this nation.
Of course, people are still people. With all the limitations of their minds and their education (i.e. it's not the mainstream knowledge why Wojciech died in Prussia or what were the Vatican activities durign WWII). And unfortunately, very many Church officials are not so cristal people. So, it's not people of Poland. It's people.
What I can't get is how the institution called Catholic Church tolerates this kind of contents in a, theoretically, catholic radio station. And here is where I agree with you - as an institution it IS rotten.
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Posted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:01 am
I think the Christians in Finland are quite open minded. I mean we've allowed gay marriage (one of the first European countries to do so), we've allowed gay people to adopt children and we've allowed women to be ministers in churches. Hell, we even have a man-now-turned-woman-through-a-sex-change-operation as a priest! Of course there's some controversy, but it's nothing massive like people going to the barricades because of it. There will always be very religious people who don't accept things like gay marriage, but at least in Finland religion isn't taken so seriously amongst most of the population.
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:08 am
I'm an open minded Christian too! blaugh I personally don't know why other Christians hate on people of different creeds. But I just know that personally I love them. Now I will say that I don't always agree with what they say but it's never a hatred thing. It's more or less a "I disagree with that" type of thing. But eh I don't really know.
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