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LordNeuf
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:31 am


http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/bike_war_paint_g7EizkFEZktV3IlNUJosQM

The Hasids, who have long had a huge enclave in the now-artist-haven neighborhood, had complained that the Bedford Avenue bike paths posed both a safety and religious hazard.

Scantily clad hipster cyclists attracted to the Brooklyn neighborhood made it difficult, the Hasids said, to obey religious laws forbidding them from staring at members of the opposite sex in various states of undress. These riders also were disobeying the traffic laws, they complained.

Two cycling advocates were apprehended by the Shomrim Patrol, a Hasidic neighborhood watch group, as they repainted a section of bike lane at 3:30 a.m. yesterday, but when cops arrived, no one was arrested and no summonses were issued, police said.

"These people should apply for a job at the DOT," neighborhood activist Isaac Abraham said of the repainting. "You put it on, they take it off -- and they will probably do this again."
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yeah, it's all sorts of awesome.

It's nice to see the spirit of compromise and getting on your neighbor's good side is still strong within the Chasidic Community.

Lets be honest people, Leviticus 19 seems to be lost on us some times. Lets go over some key points in that little chapter.

Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am HASHEM.

Lev 19:34
The stranger that sojourn with you shall be unto you as the home-born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am HASHEM your G0D.

We, as a people, have our rules and customs and regulations and we have to learn how to get along with people without just trying to force them to deal with us.

Because riding a bike down that street is still legal. The bike lanes are there to keep the bikers safe. Having them removed threatens the bikers because they now have to compete with cars.

Has no one realized that people in biker shorts and short tees also do such things as, walk, and take the subway.

As for the kids in the neighborhood having to deal with bikers in bike lanes nearly running them over, may I suggest that they look both ways when crossing the street and remember the proverb "if it has more wheels then you, it has right of way."

DISCUSS!!!
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:07 am


While I do not disagree with the concept of peaceful coexistence in any way shape or form the Pesukim you are quoting are incredibly out of context.

Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am HASHEM.

-This Passuk is referring to other jews. If one is openly Mechalel Shobbos or several other examples they technically can be seen as exempt as well.


Lev 19:34
The stranger that sojourn with you shall be unto you as the home-born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am HASHEM your G0D.

-A "Ger" isn't translated as a wanderer but as a convert.


For those looking to quote Pesukim I greatly recommend referencing Rashi (or equivalently reliable reference) when trying to make an argument to the religious Jewish communities.

ScionoftheBlade


kingpinsqeezels

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 12:04 pm


...and should we all us women wear hijabs for muslims too?
This is stupid. Sounds like the Chasids in Brooklyn need to learn some freaking self control before they start pointing fingers at others.
PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 7:42 pm


ScionoftheBlade
While I do not disagree with the concept of peaceful coexistence in any way shape or form the Pesukim you are quoting are incredibly out of context.

Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am HASHEM.

-This Passuk is referring to other jews. If one is openly Mechalel Shobbos or several other examples they technically can be seen as exempt as well.


Lev 19:34
The stranger that sojourn with you shall be unto you as the home-born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am HASHEM your G0D.

-A "Ger" isn't translated as a wanderer but as a convert.


For those looking to quote Pesukim I greatly recommend referencing Rashi (or equivalently reliable reference) when trying to make an argument to the religious Jewish communities.


Interesting that you say that.

Are you saying that only the people who try to become or convert to Jewish, should be treated with the same respect and understanding we offer birthright Jews?

I know that's not what you're going for but that's what you're saying.

And that's why I question the interpretation, I don't know the Hebrew I know the English.

LordNeuf
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ScionoftheBlade

PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2009 8:19 pm


LordNeuf
ScionoftheBlade
While I do not disagree with the concept of peaceful coexistence in any way shape or form the Pesukim you are quoting are incredibly out of context.

Lev 19:18
Thou shalt not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself: I am HASHEM.

-This Passuk is referring to other jews. If one is openly Mechalel Shobbos or several other examples they technically can be seen as exempt as well.


Lev 19:34
The stranger that sojourn with you shall be unto you as the home-born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am HASHEM your G0D.

-A "Ger" isn't translated as a wanderer but as a convert.


For those looking to quote Pesukim I greatly recommend referencing Rashi (or equivalently reliable reference) when trying to make an argument to the religious Jewish communities.


Interesting that you say that.

Are you saying that only the people who try to become or convert to Jewish, should be treated with the same respect and understanding we offer birthright Jews?

I know that's not what you're going for but that's what you're saying.

And that's why I question the interpretation, I don't know the Hebrew I know the English.


Halachically there are obligations between jews that come before obligations for non-jews. The specific law for a ger is because of the "double" insult jews may feel toward gerrim. (long topic see Rashi and probably Ramban, or a topic for a later post) Jews are supposed to follow the laws of the land and therefor kindness to non-jews is sensible.

Keep in mind there are several specific halachos (arguably) intended to keep jews and non-jews from becoming "to" friendly.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:06 am


ScionoftheBlade
Keep in mind there are several specific halachos (arguably) intended to keep jews and non-jews from becoming "to" friendly.


yeah I know that one, it's one of the reasons I'm not a chassid anymore.

LordNeuf
Crew


ScionoftheBlade

PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:24 am


LordNeuf
ScionoftheBlade
Keep in mind there are several specific halachos (arguably) intended to keep jews and non-jews from becoming "to" friendly.


yeah I know that one, it's one of the reasons I'm not a chassid anymore.


Although I am not chassidic I like to believe I obey all of those laws while maintaining non-jewish friendships. They aren't "major" I was just pointing to the concept.
PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:25 pm


kingpinsqeezels
...and should we all us women wear hijabs for muslims too?
This is stupid. Sounds like the Chasids in Brooklyn need to learn some freaking self control before they start pointing fingers at others.

Agreed.

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