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Soleq
Captain

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 6:46 am


So, now that we're in the thick of the school year, there's been quite a bit of teenage drama and angst among my students. So-and-so doing this, "couples" breaking up, and whatnot seem to be everywhere. Is this surprising to me? Not one bit. What is though is how many of these kids are neglected and/or abused at home. It's crazy what I see/hear/find. It's sad to say it, but I can see why so many people turn to self-harm and drugs. I wish I could adopt about 5 kids right now.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 8:06 am


Yeah, the sadder thing for me is that it doesn't surprise me at all.

deadp00l7217


Captain_Sipid_Peabody

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 10:15 am


Soleq
So, now that we're in the thick of the school year, there's been quite a bit of teenage drama and angst among my students. So-and-so doing this, "couples" breaking up, and whatnot seem to be everywhere. Is this surprising to me? Not one bit. What is though is how many of these kids are neglected and/or abused at home. It's crazy what I see/hear/find. It's sad to say it, but I can see why so many people turn to self-harm and drugs. I wish I could adopt about 5 kids right now.


I'd argue that you can't trust a word that your students tell you.

Also, people who turn to self-harm/drugs are idiots, no matter how you qualify it. No matter how bad things are at their homes, such actions only make such situations worse. By escaping from reality, you only augment how bad it is.

As for the adoption.... well children are a bad idea all around, especially teenagers. They'll complain about how oppressive you are when you don't let them cut or do drugs, which will cause them to flee from home and do criminal things in order to cut/do drugs. You'll than be regarded by society as a negligent parent, or a deadbeat dad because you aren't dealing with your teenagers.

The best option is to wish that they all died, but the school still let you keep your job. That'd be sweeeeet!

And to anyone who doesn't already know: No, I don't have any compassion.

Actually, in all reality, it is by and large a social issue. When you have kids who have both parents working it leads to a lifestyle of neglect from the get go. When they go home and don't have a parent there, it makes it far easier for them to do harmful or criminal things.

This has actually always been one of my strongest arguments against single parenthood. A single parent will have a far greater amount of difficulty spending time/monitoring/taking care of a child than a couple. Someone should always be home with a child in order to facilitate proper development. Though this sounds traditionalist, I think it would really reduce a lot of the problems.

I think also though, that there is an environment which de-emphasizes personal responsibility in the youth as well. There is this idea that actions don't have consequences. Therefore doing things like drugs/cutting becomes acceptable as they don't consider the long term. This also applies to people who dress like goths/punks/freaks. They don't consider the fact that they one day have to join a larger society and be a part of it, in some productive way. A respectable workplace will not accept black clothing, makeup, tattoos all over your face, and piercings up the yin yang. It's not going to happen. But this isn't a consideration anymore for the youth as they have this whole "******** the world" mentality.

It is this idea of "******** the world" that also leads to problems. They are a part of society, despite the fact that they may not like it. Responsible behavior pays off in the long run. Not looking like a complete jackass helps you better integrate yourself into this society. When you have a '******** the man/world/wealth' mentality it also leads to people who are likely to not be productive as economically they want someone to subsidize their freakish lifestyle. Most people like this tend to gravitate towards socialism. This won't work in our economy or world. People need to be productive and generate wealth on their own. This is how you distinguish yourself...not through being a ******** freak. Being respected is the best way to be 'different.'

Sadly this kind of attitude is not prevalent in the youth, and sadly most of them will never understand this, I think. At least when they don't care about their own educations or futures. It doesn't seem this way when they destroy their minds with drugs and their appearance with their freakish lifestyles.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 2:40 pm


Ya know, I kinda have to agree with a lot of the points made by Captain_Sipid_Peabody.

I grew up in about the most horrible homelife imaginable. I'm not going to go into details, but it wasn't no "I'm angsty 'cause mommy won't let me go to the movies" it was more like, "I'm angsty because we don't have food in my house and no ones here to watch me and my little brother for days at a time 'cause they'd rather be partying."

With that said, I have NEVER once cut myself nor become a drug addict nor been arrested for anything. Ever. I refuse to allow myself to fall into some sort of pathetic stereotype simply because my parents were pieces of s**t. Boo hoo. I had a shitty-tastic childhood, so I, in turn, should become a sorry loathesome piece of s**t adult just like them? I don't think so.

I completely have NO sympathy for teens who blame their cutting/drug habits on their home situation. To me, it's a simple matter of choice and will power. I choose not to be like my own parents. I choose not to let their behavior dictate how I turn out.

This day and age people seem to really underestimate will power and choice. It amazes me to see how many youths say they "can't help it" or "can't control themselves." Bullshit. You ALWAYS have a choice... unless your parents are holding a gun to your head and FORCING you to cut or do drugs, you have a choice.

I'd say more on that subject, but then this would turn into a huge rant.

Onto the next point Captain_Sipid_Peabody made. Having your parents around. I agree with that completely. That's why I chose to be a stay at home mother. I'd muuuch rather raise my two children myself than to have some day care or after school program do it for me. I'm by no means bashing on single-parents nor working moms, but this was my choice and I am happy to have made it. Because I am here for them, I KNOW what they do all day, I am HERE if they are upset and want to talk to me. I am HAPPY to have this opportunity.

I do not, in any way, feel that I am "missing out" or "taking two steps back for women" nor "being controlled by my husband." If anything, he the one usually gettng bossed around! I kid. But really, it's an equal relationship. He knows I work just as hard as him at home with the kids as he does at his job everyday.

So, I will continue to be a stay at home mother for my children as long as I have the opportunity to do so. I think it is best for them.

badloki


Dugustus

PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 5:31 pm


Good to see you care about your students to many teachers don't. It's difficult for kids today to find any guidance. Most teens are very sensitive to hypocracy and around here have lost all respect for teachers who go on strike every two years for more pay and less workload while saying to the kids study hard and behave.

Self injury is an in vouge attention getter and for it to be constantly pandered to is bad. Society has moved more and more to coddeling and supporting deviant behaviours. Basic concepts like punishment for deviant behaviour and disobediance are in decline in favour of drugs (the first drug I had was at insistance of my school) and soft approaches. The net result is the kid's are more out of control, more violent, and have less appreciation for causuality.

As a lad when I carved my name in my arm I got smacked for it and grounded for a week and I think the day I did it It cost me my desert. Guess what it was the last time I did it and the same applied for alot of other bad behaviours a boy like myself got into. Not to say I got smacked alot because I started to understand if I didn't misbehave in the first place guess what no punishment. Now kids are aware that for the most part there will be no punishment only support and attention as long as they continue thier behaviour.
PostPosted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:04 pm


Ok I haven't read the other answers but here is my two cents. Have you reported them to family sevices? That is one of the duties of a teacher isn't it? Or at least let the principal know. I know that one of the students I went to school with was being abused and I think that if they had pushed a bit harder she actually might have been helped.

Chalda


i.am.duckie

PostPosted: Sun Dec 04, 2005 1:35 pm


still glad you actually CARE my teachers are all like: its alright talk to your friends; HA HA HA.... like my friends even care
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 9:12 am


You're a teacher? I never knew that. I'm glad you take an interest in your studants well being.

I'm not suprised to hear this either, it's sad the way things have gone. A lot of teens nowadays do overreact things though. It's true more children are being abused but you need to watch out for any attention seekers aswell.

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Soleq
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 3:33 pm


I think people either misinterpreted what I wrote or rushed to judgement. I'll never condone the use of drugs or masocism to alleviate pain. I said it's just somewhat easier for me to see how people take the easy way out to avoid the realities of their life.

In any case, the situation is mostly/somewhat resolved, enough to the point that I can't do anything to help. So, it's on the backburner, and I have new issues to face. I'm just tired of the whole "well I went through hell and survived it, you get your s**t together and do it too" mentality. To me, that's the equivalent of saying "hell, I can run a 4 minute mile, so if you can't that's because you're not trying hard enough." Some people can handle it better than others naturally, and some need more help.

While Sipid will probably take this as a compliment, you're a pretty cold-hearted person. I'm not saying that's "bad," but I fully support your decision to never have children.

And yes, I did do my part in the mandatory reporting state code. By telling my superiors, they become the next responsible party. However, since there was no clarity on who actually wrote the note that lead me to this whole fiasco, I couldn't easily call CPS and say "hey, um...someone wrote a note...and um..." I'll just say that this isn't the first time I've had to report something this year.
PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 4:25 pm


Soleq


While Sipid will probably take this as a compliment, you're a pretty cold-hearted person. I'm not saying that's "bad," but I fully support your decision to never have children.




Me? Cold hearted? My heart is very warm actually. It's inside my body for one, and because of the constant blood flow, it probably stays pretty warm, I'd imagine.

Having children is ridiculous and people who want to have kids are ridiculous.

Actually I've found from my experience on Gaia that the people who most want children are the least qualified individuals to ever be parents. I must say, I fully support compulsory abortion for most people on Gaia.

Captain_Sipid_Peabody


Cathl Peabody

PostPosted: Tue Dec 06, 2005 5:01 pm


The government is at fault for providing incentives for women to birth kids, reguardless of the home life.
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