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 Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 5:03 pm
Azerate The Celts believed the souls of the dead roamed the streets and villages at night. Since not all spirits were thought to be friendly, gifts and treats were left out to pacify the evil and ensure next years crops would be plentiful. This custom evolved into trick-or-treating. End of story. >_< It still pacifies evil spirits. Those children can be pretty evil.... trying to steal MY CANDY!!!! scream scream scream
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:23 am
CH1YO I'm just glad we haven't decided that Mardi Gras is a good idea. And why not? Just because a bunch of Yankees who don't understand how to celebrate the holiday without being vulgar and vendors who cater to this group doesn't mean that the holiday is a bad idea. Why not live it up the day before you decide to give up something for Lent. @Zslone2 If it was for the purpose of converting why wait two centuries after making contact with a culture before doing such a thing. Christianity was first introduced in British Isles around the late 6th century. It didn't officially become a holiday for all of Christianity until the 8th Century. Also from what I understand the astrological event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't occur on Oct. 31 or Nov. 1. So if Halloween/All Hallow's Day is supposed to substitute this Samhain, why not replace it based on the event that is supposed to occur.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 11:45 am
rmcdra CH1YO I'm just glad we haven't decided that Mardi Gras is a good idea. And why not? Just because a bunch of Yankees who don't understand how to celebrate the holiday without being vulgar and vendors who cater to this group doesn't mean that the holiday is a bad idea. Why not live it up the day before you decide to give up something for Lent. @Zslone2 If it was for the purpose of converting why wait two centuries after making contact with a culture before doing such a thing. Christianity was first introduced in British Isles around the late 6th century. It didn't officially become a holiday for all of Christianity until the 8th Century. Also from what I understand the astrological event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't occur on Oct. 31 or Nov. 1. So if Halloween/All Hallow's Day is supposed to substitute this Samhain, why not replace it based on the event that is supposed to occur. You have proof that Samhain happens randomly? If it did happen as randomly as you say, then why is celebrated in October/November?
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:18 pm
xLady Tsukiyox rmcdra CH1YO I'm just glad we haven't decided that Mardi Gras is a good idea. And why not? Just because a bunch of Yankees who don't understand how to celebrate the holiday without being vulgar and vendors who cater to this group doesn't mean that the holiday is a bad idea. Why not live it up the day before you decide to give up something for Lent. @Zslone2 If it was for the purpose of converting why wait two centuries after making contact with a culture before doing such a thing. Christianity was first introduced in British Isles around the late 6th century. It didn't officially become a holiday for all of Christianity until the 8th Century. Also from what I understand the astrological event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't occur on Oct. 31 or Nov. 1. So if Halloween/All Hallow's Day is supposed to substitute this Samhain, why not replace it based on the event that is supposed to occur. You have proof that Samhain happens randomly? If it did happen as randomly as you say, then why is celebrated in October/November? *nods* @ rmcdra, I've never heard that samhain was a day to celebrate an astrological event. I'm curious where you get that from (I'm not saying it's wrong). If Samhain marks the end of the harvest and a transition into the winter I can see how it also would represent the transition from life into death in a figurative sense possibly even a literal sense since it was more difficult to survive during that season.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 3:26 pm
Semiremis xLady Tsukiyox rmcdra CH1YO I'm just glad we haven't decided that Mardi Gras is a good idea. And why not? Just because a bunch of Yankees who don't understand how to celebrate the holiday without being vulgar and vendors who cater to this group doesn't mean that the holiday is a bad idea. Why not live it up the day before you decide to give up something for Lent. @Zslone2 If it was for the purpose of converting why wait two centuries after making contact with a culture before doing such a thing. Christianity was first introduced in British Isles around the late 6th century. It didn't officially become a holiday for all of Christianity until the 8th Century. Also from what I understand the astrological event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't occur on Oct. 31 or Nov. 1. So if Halloween/All Hallow's Day is supposed to substitute this Samhain, why not replace it based on the event that is supposed to occur. You have proof that Samhain happens randomly? If it did happen as randomly as you say, then why is celebrated in October/November? *nods* @ rmcdra, I've never heard that samhain was a day to celebrate an astrological event. I'm curious where you get that from (I'm not saying it's wrong). If Samhain marks the end of the harvest and a transition into the winter I can see how it also would represent the transition from life into death in a figurative sense possibly even a literal sense since it was more difficult to survive during that season. I think the astrological event he's talking about has to go with the Hunter's Moon. http://www.nightskyinfo.com/sky_highlights/hunters_moon/As I stated in another thread in my guild, chances are Samhain was celebrated in what we know as October/November because that was when the weather got colder, and the leaves started changing colors. This change marked the fact that winter was slowly creeping up closer, giving farmers the clue to harvest their crops before the Deathly Freezing Breath of Winter came and killed off everything. That and we also have what's known as Daylight Savings Time. Back in those days they didn't have clocks to measure time but probably sundials or by looking at the shadows of trees. During the fall, the days become shorter and the nights become longer. Again all farmers had to do really was examine the position of the sun, moon, and be able to feel the cold weather. It was more than likely that Samhain was celebrated in October, but depending on when these changes did occur it was either Early October, Middle or even the end of October, or even well into November.
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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 6:58 pm
From what I've understood there is an astrological correspondence for Samhain and that's usually around November 7th. However there are enough people who don't want to sit down with a chart and ephemeris to learn exactly when, so they use the nearest lunar phase which falls around Halloween. I could be very wrong, though, so don't quote me on it.
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Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 10:11 pm
Last Halloween I went to a small Wiccan celebration and it was really great. I guess i love halloween not for the religious part (though that is fascinating,) but more because there's costumes and everyone uses their imagination to make unique costumes.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 1:06 pm
xLady Tsukiyox Semiremis xLady Tsukiyox rmcdra CH1YO I'm just glad we haven't decided that Mardi Gras is a good idea. And why not? Just because a bunch of Yankees who don't understand how to celebrate the holiday without being vulgar and vendors who cater to this group doesn't mean that the holiday is a bad idea. Why not live it up the day before you decide to give up something for Lent. @Zslone2 If it was for the purpose of converting why wait two centuries after making contact with a culture before doing such a thing. Christianity was first introduced in British Isles around the late 6th century. It didn't officially become a holiday for all of Christianity until the 8th Century. Also from what I understand the astrological event that Samhain is supposed to celebrate can't occur on Oct. 31 or Nov. 1. So if Halloween/All Hallow's Day is supposed to substitute this Samhain, why not replace it based on the event that is supposed to occur. You have proof that Samhain happens randomly? If it did happen as randomly as you say, then why is celebrated in October/November? *nods* @ rmcdra, I've never heard that samhain was a day to celebrate an astrological event. I'm curious where you get that from (I'm not saying it's wrong). If Samhain marks the end of the harvest and a transition into the winter I can see how it also would represent the transition from life into death in a figurative sense possibly even a literal sense since it was more difficult to survive during that season. I think the astrological event he's talking about has to go with the Hunter's Moon. http://www.nightskyinfo.com/sky_highlights/hunters_moon/As I stated in another thread in my guild, chances are Samhain was celebrated in what we know as October/November because that was when the weather got colder, and the leaves started changing colors. This change marked the fact that winter was slowly creeping up closer, giving farmers the clue to harvest their crops before the Deathly Freezing Breath of Winter came and killed off everything. That and we also have what's known as Daylight Savings Time. Back in those days they didn't have clocks to measure time but probably sundials or by looking at the shadows of trees. During the fall, the days become shorter and the nights become longer. Again all farmers had to do really was examine the position of the sun, moon, and be able to feel the cold weather. It was more than likely that Samhain was celebrated in October, but depending on when these changes did occur it was either Early October, Middle or even the end of October, or even well into November. Interesting. It makes sense I guess.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:43 pm
Halloween's my favorite holiday ever!
Anyway, when I was a Christian I was always told that I couldn't celebrate it because it was too Pagan. But now that I'm a Pagan it's one of my favorite days of the year. And, honestly, I don't see why people of Abrahamic faiths can't celebrate it just because it's a Pagan holiday; for the most part, it's a fairly secular holiday. Besides, celebrating holidays from other faiths is a good way to get to know other religions.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:56 pm
I celebrate "Generic Fall Holiday". The closest thing to I guess is Samhain.
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Posted: Tue Dec 22, 2009 10:57 pm
Julri Halloween's my favorite holiday ever!
Anyway, when I was a Christian I was always told that I couldn't celebrate it because it was too Pagan. But now that I'm a Pagan it's one of my favorite days of the year. And, honestly, I don't see why people of Abrahamic faiths can't celebrate it just because it's a Pagan holiday; for the most part, it's a fairly secular holiday. Besides, celebrating holidays from other faiths is a good way to get to know other religions. It's not a pagan holiday. It's Catholic.
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