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 Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:39 am
I'd like to ask about predestination. Are we predestined in any way? Do we have the free will? It's not necessary we're determined by any creator, maybe by biology, genes, society, the first clash of atoms? Is the pre-estabilished harmony a silly idea? Share your thoughts.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:24 am
Well, we have free will since whatever we do is decided by our developed minds.
If we want gum and have it, we decide whether to chew that gum or not.
If there is an attack on the country, we decide how to act.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:48 am
Nah, I don't believe we are predestined for anything. We are just product of evolution and we made civilization and now we can decide our own fates, like we decide which God we made up to worship to.
Free will is dodgy when it comes to neuroscience and the like, so I don't really mind it.
So yeah, predestination seems silly.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:48 pm
Nope. No predestination or anything.
The universe is just a bunch of random things existing in
random places doing random acts. And sometimes these
random acts happen to produce a result. But it's all random
and if you decide to give a meaning to these results then fine.
Not like I care.
"It is chance that rules life, not perfection." - Judith Guest
This quote really explains it all. We can imagine how "perfectly"
our planet just fit in the system just so that we can have life
here, almost as if it's "designed" by someone. But no, ultimately
everything, even on here, happens randomly.
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 10:37 pm
=X-Sparker + AquaKiller=
Nope. No predestination or anything.
The universe is just a bunch of random things existing in
random places doing random acts. And sometimes these
random acts happen to produce a result. But it's all random
and if you decide to give a meaning to these results then fine.
Not like I care.
"It is chance that rules life, not perfection." - Judith Guest
This quote really explains it all. We can imagine how "perfectly"
our planet just fit in the system just so that we can have life
here, almost as if it's "designed" by someone. But no, ultimately
everything, even on here, happens randomly.
I like this description! wink
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Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 11:42 pm
I don't believe in predestination but I wouldn't completely agree with the idea that EVERYTHING is 100% random, but I think I'm just misinterpreting Sparker.
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:16 am
D i v i n i t y I don't believe in predestination but I wouldn't completely agree with the idea that EVERYTHING is 100% random, but I think I'm just misinterpreting Sparker. The idea of total randomness simply opposes our reasoning and common sense. It might be something normal in science but when I look outside the window I don't see any random chaos. Besides I still think that we are somehow determined. At least by what happened in the very beginning (if there was any beginning). Maybe the beggining itself could be random.
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 2:17 am
Distorted_Image Nah, I don't believe we are predestined for anything. We are just product of evolution and we made civilization and now we can decide our own fates, like we decide which God we made up to worship to. Free will is dodgy when it comes to neuroscience and the like, so I don't really mind it. So yeah, predestination seems silly. How it dodges it?
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Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:02 am
I think there is a certain amount of predestination, *but* it has to meet certain criteria.
6.5 billion people is a lot of people. If you're talking about something global that has been set into motion, it's pretty much predestined how it's going to turn out, because the effort required to stop it is just plain too monumental.
For example, the global economy collapse. A number of people saw it coming for years, no joke, but were making too much money or were just unable to do anything about it. It was pretty much an unstoppable train wreck from as far back as like 2004. It was just a matter of time before it all went south, and there was really no stopping it by then.
So, no, not predestination as in from the beginning of time, but if a movement gets big enough, there's just no stopping it after a certain point, and in that way, it is sort of foreordained.
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