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 Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 6:52 am
[So Mom was chatting with someone we used to know when we lived in the projects some time ago. And the lady was telling her about all the things that have changed there. I was so shocked and happy, I was almost speechless. "It's about time," I managed to say. "What took so damn long...?!"
The lady was saying how the police now patrol the place 24/7. If trash is left in the hallways, everyone in the building is fined $50, to be added in with their rent. Kids under 17 have a strict curfew...if they are caught outside after 10pm, their parents are arrested. eek
I was like *hoshit~!*
I just wanted to share this because it makes me so happy that a tyrant is running the place and has finally found a way to make the people out there clean up their act, and their homes, and take responsibility (FINALLY!) for the actions of their offspring.
Discuss:
~Do you think the new landlord will last?
~Do you think it's right for the parents to get arrested because their kids broke the rules?
~Should other low-income housing projects have similar rules?]
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 7:50 am
no, i dont think the landlord will last, i've seen it before, but hopefully this case will be different
no, i dont think the parents should be arrested, some kids are just bad as hell and will go out no matter what the parents say, and i think if they think are grown enough to break the rules they should be grown enough to pay the consequences
yes, i do think other projects should have this rule, it would make it a lot safer
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 6:11 am
Black_Ronin no, i dont think the landlord will last, i've seen it before, but hopefully this case will be different no, i dont think the parents should be arrested, some kids are just bad as hell and will go out no matter what the parents say, and i think if they think are grown enough to break the rules they should be grown enough to pay the consequences yes, i do think other projects should have this rule, it would make it a lot safer the projects need to have rules like that, period. i don't know about getting arrested for the kids, though. there should be a different penalty for both the kids and the parents, because there are bound to be some bad-asses that do stuff just to get their parents arrested because they're having a bad day or whatever. maybe the kids could get picked up after school on Friday by the police, and brought home in the back of the car. have them placed under house arrest for the weekend - ankle bracelets and all, or something. i dunno. just brainstorming.
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Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2005 7:30 pm
I'd find the curfew thingy hard to enforce. You could take that to the court and it could be found unconstitutional... It's not completly the faults of parents when their kids are out after ten...
As for Kaenai's suggestion... that wouldn't work either. What about the kids that grow up in the projects and aren't "bad". They got that one group of friends that avoi trouble... that punishment for no reason... but protection from what may happen none the less...
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:32 am
Disruptive I'd find the curfew thingy hard to enforce. You could take that to the court and it could be found unconstitutional... It's not completly the faults of parents when their kids are out after ten...
As for Kaenai's suggestion... that wouldn't work either. What about the kids that grow up in the projects and aren't "bad". They got that one group of friends that avoi trouble... that punishment for no reason... but protection from what may happen none the less... um, i didn't mean all the kids. i mean the ones staying out late, and certainly i meant the repeat offenders. if the kids aren't 'bad' or whatever, they won't be breaking curfew, i'm sure
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Posted: Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:11 pm
Kaenai Disruptive I'd find the curfew thingy hard to enforce. You could take that to the court and it could be found unconstitutional... It's not completly the faults of parents when their kids are out after ten...
As for Kaenai's suggestion... that wouldn't work either. What about the kids that grow up in the projects and aren't "bad". They got that one group of friends that avoi trouble... that punishment for no reason... but protection from what may happen none the less... um, i didn't mean all the kids. i mean the ones staying out late, and certainly i meant the repeat offenders. if the kids aren't 'bad' or whatever, they won't be breaking curfew, i'm sure Then maybe you should be a bit more clear with your implications? And I'm not... "bad" I go to parties were people get drunk and high and I don't touch that stuff... but I'm certainly not home before 10... so...
And you can get in trouble any time of the day.. =l
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:53 am
Disruptive Kaenai Disruptive I'd find the curfew thingy hard to enforce. You could take that to the court and it could be found unconstitutional... It's not completly the faults of parents when their kids are out after ten...
As for Kaenai's suggestion... that wouldn't work either. What about the kids that grow up in the projects and aren't "bad". They got that one group of friends that avoi trouble... that punishment for no reason... but protection from what may happen none the less... um, i didn't mean all the kids. i mean the ones staying out late, and certainly i meant the repeat offenders. if the kids aren't 'bad' or whatever, they won't be breaking curfew, i'm sure Then maybe you should be a bit more clear with your implications? And I'm not... "bad" I go to parties were people get drunk and high and I don't touch that stuff... but I'm certainly not home before 10... so...
And you can get in trouble any time of the day.. =l maybe you should lighten up just a bit, as i'm pretty sure i wasn't pointing any fingers at you. not really going to argue the matter, though, since we are online, for cryin' out loud, and it was only a suggestion - it's not like one woman's word is going to change your world forever. take it personally if you want to, playa, i'm not that pressed.
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:02 am
Disruptive Kaenai Disruptive I'd find the curfew thingy hard to enforce. You could take that to the court and it could be found unconstitutional... It's not completly the faults of parents when their kids are out after ten...
As for Kaenai's suggestion... that wouldn't work either. What about the kids that grow up in the projects and aren't "bad". They got that one group of friends that avoi trouble... that punishment for no reason... but protection from what may happen none the less... um, i didn't mean all the kids. i mean the ones staying out late, and certainly i meant the repeat offenders. if the kids aren't 'bad' or whatever, they won't be breaking curfew, i'm sure Then maybe you should be a bit more clear with your implications? And I'm not... "bad" I go to parties were people get drunk and high and I don't touch that stuff... but I'm certainly not home before 10... so...
And you can get in trouble any time of the day.. =l eh, sounded pretty clear to me, since she was talking about consequences as a result of actions. guess you missed that. relax, though? because it's not that serious. in some places it is acceptable for children to stay out at all hours of the night, and if you're in one of those places, then she can't be talking about you. @ Kaenai: chill, cuz! don't make me tell Auntie on you! xd
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Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2005 5:48 am
Angel_Brown eh, sounded pretty clear to me, since she was talking about consequences as a result of actions. guess you missed that. relax, though? because it's not that serious. in some places it is acceptable for children to stay out at all hours of the night, and if you're in one of those places, then she can't be talking about you. @ Kaenai: chill, cuz! don't make me tell Auntie on you! xd shut up you! rofl
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Posted: Wed Nov 30, 2005 8:27 pm
Kaenai Disruptive Kaenai Disruptive I'd find the curfew thingy hard to enforce. You could take that to the court and it could be found unconstitutional... It's not completly the faults of parents when their kids are out after ten...
As for Kaenai's suggestion... that wouldn't work either. What about the kids that grow up in the projects and aren't "bad". They got that one group of friends that avoi trouble... that punishment for no reason... but protection from what may happen none the less... um, i didn't mean all the kids. i mean the ones staying out late, and certainly i meant the repeat offenders. if the kids aren't 'bad' or whatever, they won't be breaking curfew, i'm sure Then maybe you should be a bit more clear with your implications? And I'm not... "bad" I go to parties were people get drunk and high and I don't touch that stuff... but I'm certainly not home before 10... so...
And you can get in trouble any time of the day.. =l maybe you should lighten up just a bit, as i'm pretty sure i wasn't pointing any fingers at you. not really going to argue the matter, though, since we are online, for cryin' out loud, and it was only a suggestion - it's not like one woman's word is going to change your world forever. take it personally if you want to, playa, i'm not that pressed. And I merely suggested that you should be more clear... cause with your other post, it came off in a different manner to me... so sorry. neutral
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:15 pm
Black_Ronin no, i dont think the landlord will last, i've seen it before, but hopefully this case will be different no, i dont think the parents should be arrested, some kids are just bad as hell and will go out no matter what the parents say, and i think if they think are grown enough to break the rules they should be grown enough to pay the consequences yes, i do think other projects should have this rule, it would make it a lot safer [I don't think the landlord will last either. I think he/she will grow tired of having to enforce so many rules all day and all night for a bunch of grown-a** people, the majority of whom seem to not give three-quartes of a s**t either way.
I actually think that the parents should be arrested in some cases. It will force the parents to accept responsibility for the actions of the minors in their custody. Especially in the projects where I lived, that was a HUGE problem. These parents, mostly mothers, would stand up for their kids even when the kid is wrong, but when it's going to interfere with mommy's night at the bar, then she isn't going to bother with disciplining her brats. This isn't true for all cases, which is why it should be done on a case-by-case basis if possible.
Sure, the offenders themselves (the kids) should have to pay the consequences also, but there's only so far you can go. The way I understand it, the proceedures for kids are very different. We don't currently have "kid jails." Even if we did, that would interfere with school...]
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Posted: Mon Dec 05, 2005 12:23 pm
Kaenai Black_Ronin no, i dont think the landlord will last, i've seen it before, but hopefully this case will be different no, i dont think the parents should be arrested, some kids are just bad as hell and will go out no matter what the parents say, and i think if they think are grown enough to break the rules they should be grown enough to pay the consequences yes, i do think other projects should have this rule, it would make it a lot safer the projects need to have rules like that, period. i don't know about getting arrested for the kids, though. there should be a different penalty for both the kids and the parents, because there are bound to be some bad-asses that do stuff just to get their parents arrested because they're having a bad day or whatever. maybe the kids could get picked up after school on Friday by the police, and brought home in the back of the car. have them placed under house arrest for the weekend - ankle bracelets and all, or something. i dunno. just brainstorming. [You're right, kids could use this to retaliate against parents.
I like the idea of house arrest on weekends...but I don't know how costly this would be... In a way, it might be just as much a hinderance to parents as being arrested. Plus, the age of the child has to be considered. If 9 year old Tanquicia is on house-arrest, momma-dearest has to either find a sitter or miss work (if she has a job rolleyes ). That presents a simlilar problem to locking up the parents....]
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