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 Posted: Mon Sep 28, 2009 8:31 am
On a normal basis, I actually bait for stupid comments like that. =) I enjoy being a sociology major...
You wanna know what cracked me up the most though? I wear my pseudo anachronistic stuffs on a normal basis- nothing overly victorian sadly, but I threw stuff together from modern stuff... Tux shirt, vest, pocketwatch, black slacks, combat boots, my goggles, occasionally a bowtie (though i'm hunting either a cravat or a- what...ascot?)...and Because I vaguely look victorian, and hold doors open for women, I was called shovanistic by one of my soc. professors... >< She's an annoying one, I tell ya.
Hrm... Its good that you've patched it up with him, and seemingly gained a minion. I discovered I was a steampunk about a year ago, and would have begged for tuitilage... but as the fates have it, this year, there were a few freshmen who showed up, babies to the life even compared to me- and when they saw my goggles (because I was slack on my dressiness at first this year) they like...begged me to help them rig outfits for the con season. Now I have a group of semi interested individuals, and a couple of die hard-ish attempters trying to get me to help them; but I've yet to mod anything, nor have i progressed much farther with my knowledge! Its reassuring, and fairly amusing though... And I do have to say- I'm dead happy to have fellows now.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:05 am
Damnant quod non intellegunt. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but if somebody incorrectly thinks their Steampunk (I am quite sure that in your case you are in fact Steampunk) let them think what they will even if it's wrong. No cause for an argument. If you should argue, do so with style by not saying the opposing side is incorrect, but rather present reasons to counter their idea.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:48 am
Crouley On a normal basis, I actually bait for stupid comments like that. =) I enjoy being a sociology major... You wanna know what cracked me up the most though? I wear my pseudo anachronistic stuffs on a normal basis- nothing overly victorian sadly, but I threw stuff together from modern stuff... Tux shirt, vest, pocketwatch, black slacks, combat boots, my goggles, occasionally a bowtie (though i'm hunting either a cravat or a- what...ascot?)...and Because I vaguely look victorian, and hold doors open for women, I was called shovanistic by one of my soc. professors... >< She's an annoying one, I tell ya. Hrm... Its good that you've patched it up with him, and seemingly gained a minion. I discovered I was a steampunk about a year ago, and would have begged for tuitilage... but as the fates have it, this year, there were a few freshmen who showed up, babies to the life even compared to me- and when they saw my goggles (because I was slack on my dressiness at first this year) they like...begged me to help them rig outfits for the con season. Now I have a group of semi interested individuals, and a couple of die hard-ish attempters trying to get me to help them; but I've yet to mod anything, nor have i progressed much farther with my knowledge! Its reassuring, and fairly amusing though... And I do have to say- I'm dead happy to have fellows now. That's when you say to her 'Chivalry is dead'. You'd think a lady would appreciate men being courteous around them, huh?
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 12:58 pm
Chivalry isn't dead at all! Eighty-percent of women are dead, and the other twenty percent are my friends, with whom I may be as chivalrous as I please.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:49 pm
KaelTiernan Chivalry isn't dead at all! Eighty-percent of women are dead, and the other twenty percent are my friends, with whom I may be as chivalrous as I please. I know you think women should let you be chivalrous to them, but some women (myself included) would feel like men are looking down on them if a man were to act chivalrous to them. If you're going to be polite to one gender, you may as well be polite to the other. It really does come off as chauvinistic when men treat women differently from how they treat men.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:24 pm
But I don't. I do however, dote on women.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:31 pm
Doctor Doosleberg KaelTiernan Chivalry isn't dead at all! Eighty-percent of women are dead, and the other twenty percent are my friends, with whom I may be as chivalrous as I please. I know you think women should let you be chivalrous to them, but some women (myself included) would feel like men are looking down on them if a man were to act chivalrous to them. If you're going to be polite to one gender, you may as well be polite to the other. It really does come off as chauvinistic when men treat women differently from how they treat men. It's not chauvinistic at all. It's called being polite. Ladies first. How am I looking down on you when I open the door fer you? That's just silly. I treat everyone with equality, but I choose to be a gentleman in a lady's presence, though I'm a gentleman most of the time, regardless of the gender of my company.
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:37 pm
Personally, I hold doors for anyone entering with a reasonably concurrent time frame to myself regardless of age or gender.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:58 pm
Thank you, Mylian, I hold doors for people regardless of gender and age as well.
Being polite is being kind to EVERYONE, not just to women. The instant one starts to be polite or courteous ONLY to women, one is being unequal. Even though women receive kinder treatment, it still feeds off of the misconception that women are somehow weaker or more fragile than men. Giving one group of people special treatment is almost the same as saying that they cannot live in this world without help.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 4:06 pm
I would like to quickly say that I do NOT think that people who behave chivalrously are necessarily sexist.
I think that their behavior comes from a sexist root, but the people who behave as such are not in and of themselves bad people. I just wanted to say this to avoid offending anybody.
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 5:22 pm
Doctor Doosleberg Thank you, Mylian, I hold doors for people regardless of gender and age as well. Being polite is being kind to EVERYONE, not just to women. The instant one starts to be polite or courteous ONLY to women, one is being unequal. Even though women receive kinder treatment, it still feeds off of the misconception that women are somehow weaker or more fragile than men. Giving one group of people special treatment is almost the same as saying that they cannot live in this world without help. And I never said I'm polite to only women. My grandparents taught me politeness, and I won't go against their teachings. However, there ain't nothing wrong in giving women a little bit extra attention.
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Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2009 2:08 pm
Keith Valken Lionheart And I never said I'm polite to only women. My grandparents taught me politeness, and I won't go against their teachings. However, there ain't nothing wrong in giving women a little bit extra attention. No, you see, it's that last bit about "nothing wrong in giving women a little bit extra attention," that bugs me. I'm sorry, but I feel like any difference in treatment is a big enough difference to worry about. Even the little differences feel like they build up into something huge. Last summer I had a huge emotional crisis concerning my sexual identity (since I act a lot more like what men are "supposed" to act like than what women are "supposed" to act like.) I really, really, felt like I should have been born a boy. My parents pointed out that thinking there was some inherent difference in how men and women should act was somewhat sexist. I don't want change my body anymore, but I do want to be treated just like everyone else. I'm only 15, and the fact that I'm already having difficulty coming to terms with my sexual identity at my age is distressing. People should be treated like and be allowed to act like whatever they want to be. It should not be a question of what their body looks like.
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