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 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:28 am
Hit until capped for main hand, expertise until capped. After that crit/agi/intell will give most returns. Never gem for intell.
Estimated EP points for stats, assuming Naxx 25 gear and not hit and expertise capped:
AP - 1
Crit Rating - 1.7
Hit Rating - 3.1
Expertise Rating - 2.6
Haste Rating - 1.3
Armor Penetration Rating - 0.8
Spellpower - 0.9
MH dps - 5.9
OH dps - 2.5
Strength - 1.1
Agility - 1.7
Intellect - 1.7
as you can see, hit and expertise are the most important stats until capped besides MH weapon dps.
all info taken from: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t20765-shaman_enhancement/
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 3:33 am
XDarkSoulJakeX You sir, are an idiot. I will say that. You're incredibly wrong. Enhance dps can break 7k. The best ele shammy on my server, doesn't break 6k. Elemental IS NOT as fast leveling as enhance. Because, enhance hits harder than ele spells, up until about level 60 or so. And you don't have to drink after every fight. Think about the stv quests. 15 tigers, raptors, and panthers. Thats 45 guys. 45 x 20 = 900. Thats 15 minutes, on drinking alone. Not to mention dying, and you kill slower, because spells do less damage than attacks. I have seen lava burst, hit for about 9k, at max. I have seen windfury crits, do like 6k, and that's with one weapon. Your logic is so flawed, I can't even begin to explain your wrongness. You have obviously never levelled an Elemental shaman. I never said Ele was better than enhance, I just said it wasn't a bad spec. Enhance does hit harder than Ele, and is more efficient until Outlands, you are correct. You do not have to drink after every fight with Ele. A combination of water shield and Thunderstorm keeps my Ele shaman above 80% mana while questing at all times. Windfury crits big but so does Lava Burst. I'm not attempting a side-by-side comparison of Ele and Enhance, like I said before, I'm only saying that Ele is not bad once you get into Outlands. In fact, a lot of people agree with me that Ele gear is easier to find while leveling in Outlands rather than Enhance gear. I would know, I've levelled two shaman through Outlands. Droknar and Foreboding, check armory. Foreboding was Ele and Droknar was Enhance. iStrangulate
Plus PvP is ten times better, and Windfury is ''WTFGGQQ''
This is very true. Ele is seriously boring and a pain to play in PvP, the only fun thing is one-shotting lowbies in AV with Lava Burst. Definitely go Enhance if you're looking for some fun in PvP, although you will want to glyph differently than what I listed. Top pvp enhance dps spec, if you want it: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hVbhqZhbxIoxdIhusRuVoif you have any questions about the spec ask and i will answer to the best of my knowledge.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:58 am
Thanks for all the help and advice.
I honestly don't know anything about Enhance xD
What weapon enchants should I put on my weapons? And what shaman enchant should I use on my weapons?
Also, what's the hit cap for shamans? Isn't it like..8%?
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:38 am
The Mule Of Max XDarkSoulJakeX You sir, are an idiot. I will say that. You're incredibly wrong. Enhance dps can break 7k. The best ele shammy on my server, doesn't break 6k. Elemental IS NOT as fast leveling as enhance. Because, enhance hits harder than ele spells, up until about level 60 or so. And you don't have to drink after every fight. Think about the stv quests. 15 tigers, raptors, and panthers. Thats 45 guys. 45 x 20 = 900. Thats 15 minutes, on drinking alone. Not to mention dying, and you kill slower, because spells do less damage than attacks. I have seen lava burst, hit for about 9k, at max. I have seen windfury crits, do like 6k, and that's with one weapon. Your logic is so flawed, I can't even begin to explain your wrongness. You have obviously never levelled an Elemental shaman. I never said Ele was better than enhance, I just said it wasn't a bad spec. Enhance does hit harder than Ele, and is more efficient until Outlands, you are correct. You do not have to drink after every fight with Ele. A combination of water shield and Thunderstorm keeps my Ele shaman above 80% mana while questing at all times. Windfury crits big but so does Lava Burst. I'm not attempting a side-by-side comparison of Ele and Enhance, like I said before, I'm only saying that Ele is not bad once you get into Outlands. In fact, a lot of people agree with me that Ele gear is easier to find while leveling in Outlands rather than Enhance gear. I would know, I've levelled two shaman through Outlands. Droknar and Foreboding, check armory. Foreboding was Ele and Droknar was Enhance. iStrangulate
Plus PvP is ten times better, and Windfury is ''WTFGGQQ''
This is very true. Ele is seriously boring and a pain to play in PvP, the only fun thing is one-shotting lowbies in AV with Lava Burst. Definitely go Enhance if you're looking for some fun in PvP, although you will want to glyph differently than what I listed. Top pvp enhance dps spec, if you want it: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#hVbhqZhbxIoxdIhusRuVoif you have any questions about the spec ask and i will answer to the best of my knowledge. You are wrong again. You want to know why? Because, lava burst is learned at 75. Enhancement shamies who are in green+blue quest gear, will be hitting harder than 3k at level 75. Ele is MUCH more efficient in pvp. By a longshot. In fact, the only bracket that makes use of enh shammy is the 2v2 bracket, which has recently become useless. Ele isn't bad. But this is the "What's the BEST spec for a shammy" thread, not the "what spec is second best, half decent, or scores more than a 5 out of 10 for a shammy." thread. He asked what the BEST spec was. For 2 out of 3 of the cases, it's enhance. You wanna know why enh shammy's arent good in arenas? Because they don't burst enough. You may think it's ridiculous I'm saying that, but there is a ratio of about 3:1 as far as rogues vs shammys. Shammy's just don't burst nearly as fast as mages, or rogues, or dks, unless the shammy is ele. It's a fact. Rogues hit more, therefore they crit more. a shammy might be able to hit for 10k, let's say. But a 4x crit like that, comes around once, maybe twice an arena. When there are heals, that's nothing. A rogue, can mutilate for a 4x dmg crit, of 4-5k with each weapon, and he can do it twice, instantly. No good rogue, should ever die to an enhance shammy, enhance shammies have no cc whatsoever, and not enough burst. That's just the facts of the argument in this case.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:38 am
iStrangulate Thanks for all the help and advice.
I honestly don't know anything about Enhance xD
What weapon enchants should I put on my weapons? And what shaman enchant should I use on my weapons?
Also, what's the hit cap for shamans? Isn't it like..8%? Would anyone like to answer this question? xD
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 12:10 pm
For starters I would get just like....a str enchant. Like a +20 on each wep. Hit cap is 9% I believe.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 1:33 pm
What ''Weapon'' should I use?
Windfury? Flametounge? :B
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 2:10 pm
Windfury MH, and Flametongue offhand, because lava lash will do more dmg with flametongue on your offhand, it will increase your spell dmg like crazy, and windfury has an internal cooldown on THE SPELL, NOT THE WEAPON!, so if 1 procs, the other can't proc right after for like 5 to 10 seconds anyways, and they generally proc about then anyways. Flametongue also does dmg every hit.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:25 pm
XDarkSoulJakeX For starters I would get just like....a str enchant. Like a +20 on each wep. Hit cap is 9% I believe. Strength? ... @istrangulate: WF/WF until you get Flametongue Weapon glyph. After that you should WF/Flametongue. Again, this has been proven with hard numbers in that elitistjerks link I gave you. Quote: and windfury has an internal cooldown on THE SPELL, NOT THE WEAPON!, so if 1 procs, the other can't proc right after for like 5 to 10 seconds anyways, is WRONG. There is only a 3 second cooldown. This is confirmed by this quote from elitistjerks thread: http://elitistjerks.com/f47/t15809-shaman_windfury/ as a shaman, you will be wanting to reach the spell hit cap for top-end raiding dps. Because of the spell mechanic changes when dealing with Maelstrom weapon, becoming spell hit cap has become very important for enhance shaman. Spells have a miss rate of 17% (16% for Draenei) against level 83 (Boss) targets, but this is lowered to 14% (13%) after raid buffs (shadow priest misery). Spell hit correspond to hit ratings as follows:: 17% - 446 16% - 420 14% - 368 13% - 341 remember that you can eat hit rating food to cap as well. most enhance shaman that i know reach the melee MH hit cap with gear and then gem/enchant, eat food, and some even use elixirs to reach the spell hit cap. if you can't afford berserking (http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=59621), then get attack power on your weapons. http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=60707 abyss crystals are very cheap ever since ToC launched. superior potency is no more than a few dailies.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:28 pm
XDarkSoulJakeX You are wrong again. You want to know why? Because, lava burst is learned at 75. Enhancement shamies who are in green+blue quest gear, will be hitting harder than 3k at level 75. Ele is MUCH more efficient in pvp. By a longshot. In fact, the only bracket that makes use of enh shammy is the 2v2 bracket, which has recently become useless. Ele isn't bad. But this is the "What's the BEST spec for a shammy" thread, not the "what spec is second best, half decent, or scores more than a 5 out of 10 for a shammy." thread. He asked what the BEST spec was. For 2 out of 3 of the cases, it's enhance. You wanna know why enh shammy's arent good in arenas? Because they don't burst enough. You may think it's ridiculous I'm saying that, but there is a ratio of about 3:1 as far as rogues vs shammys. Shammy's just don't burst nearly as fast as mages, or rogues, or dks, unless the shammy is ele. It's a fact. Rogues hit more, therefore they crit more. a shammy might be able to hit for 10k, let's say. But a 4x crit like that, comes around once, maybe twice an arena. When there are heals, that's nothing. A rogue, can mutilate for a 4x dmg crit, of 4-5k with each weapon, and he can do it twice, instantly. No good rogue, should ever die to an enhance shammy, enhance shammies have no cc whatsoever, and not enough burst. That's just the facts of the argument in this case. i meant to say top pve spec, sorry for saying top pvp spec. i know of multiple 2000+ rating enhance shaman, btw, in 3s and 5s. and you can keep calling me wrong all you want, the fact is I have levelled mutiple shaman with all different specs and I know what works and what doesn't. Enhance and Ele are the same speed in Outlands and the same speed through Northrend. The only thing that Enhance has going for it is improved ability to handle elites, because spirit wolves and shamanistic rage lend themselves to this while Ele doesn't have similar abilities to help mitigate the increase of damage. And ele is terrible in pvp, seriously. I dont know if you've ever tried it, but it seriously sucks. It's possible to play, yes, but all you really have going for you are lava burst crits and hex. With enough resilience your biggest damage gimmick (free 100% crits with lava burst), is essentially a wet noodle for being on such a long cooldown, and hex is a very weak CC. However, Enhancement shaman have a lot of burst with Spirit Wolves. Spirit wolves are an enhancement's largest tool in arenas at the moment simply because of how powerful they are. No matter what you do to the shaman, stun him, whatever, he has wolves that are beating on you the entire time and healing him, and he can pop Shamanistic Rage to reduce damage and get out of stuns, even while stunned. Ele has no survivability abilities besides Thunderstorm and frost shock.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 7:20 am
Shamans are horrible and boring.
you can play a shaman good and still suck, because you'll fall asleep while playing them half the time because they are so boring.
Max is horrible for leveling shaymanz.
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Posted: Mon Sep 07, 2009 8:32 am
I didn't think they were too boring. By far priest was the most boring for me. sweatdrop
But this wasn't a shaman-bashing thread either so whee
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