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 Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:22 pm
I got some arts on here! I'm trying out more realistic styles. Ok, so..... A feather pen.An attempt at a hand.On this one, my lil bro messed me up with the scanner. Poo. I'll rescan it later. XD These drawings are for my arts fudementals class. So, can you guys please help me out? What can I do to fix 'em up?
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 9:53 pm
Okay, so first off, I'm going to have to say that looks more like a quill rather than a feather pen. Sorry that is one of my very odd pet peeves.
For a little more in depth view of it, remember that the writing utensil is designed to work with the hand. Meaning that the feather is curved out in a way that would be counteractive against the writing. Feathers also generally rather smooth to the touch along the sides, meaning that the numerous lines you drew are also not the best representation. (from this point, I'm busting out my quill to observe. just letting you know) The definition of each hair-like-thing (wonderful vocabulary) is very faint, so it would not be shown unless you were much closer than it seems in your drawing. That being said, the edges are not entirely smooth, there are small thin breaks that run at about a 45 degree angle to the centerpeice of the feather (rather unneccessary to point that out, buut eh).
The nib of the pen seems to be rather odd angle in accordance to the rest of the structure to it, it does not seem to be coming out of the holdy part evenly, try having the tip of the nib come to a point parallel to the end of the holdy part and bothe ends of the holdy thing parallel.
As for your shading, try building up the bulk of the feather slowly with a small circling type motion (least that's what I do, not neccessarily what you have to do), and gradually build in the shades and of there needs to a lighter part, try gently very gently erasing.
Your shadow itself could also stand some work, try to think of exactly where the light source is coming from,how strong it is and how close the object casting the shadow is to the thing it is casting a shadow on. Generally, if the object is closer, the shadow is very defined and similiarly is close to the object. If this is lying on a flat surface, the shadow would be close, small, dense. The majority of the shadow would actually be under the curve of the feather.
So, I'm gonna wrap it up (cause it's a wall of text) and tell you a big thing that helped me with realist objects that aren't drawn from actual images, imagine going up and looking at them, picking them up, putting them down, and just observe how the shadow works (generally works best if you keep a fixed light source in mind and don't let yourself get distracted by things that are actually around you.)
3nodding Keep on trying, you will only get better over time. 'Less you break your wrist or something, then you'll probably regress.
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Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 3:49 pm
Nekros Conrad Okay, so first off, I'm going to have to say that looks more like a quill rather than a feather pen. Sorry that is one of my very odd pet peeves. For a little more in depth view of it, remember that the writing utensil is designed to work with the hand. Meaning that the feather is curved out in a way that would be counteractive against the writing. Feathers also generally rather smooth to the touch along the sides, meaning that the numerous lines you drew are also not the best representation. (from this point, I'm busting out my quill to observe. just letting you know) The definition of each hair-like-thing ( wonderful vocabulary) is very faint, so it would not be shown unless you were much closer than it seems in your drawing. That being said, the edges are not entirely smooth, there are small thin breaks that run at about a 45 degree angle to the centerpeice of the feather (rather unneccessary to point that out, buut eh). The nib of the pen seems to be rather odd angle in accordance to the rest of the structure to it, it does not seem to be coming out of the holdy part evenly, try having the tip of the nib come to a point parallel to the end of the holdy part and bothe ends of the holdy thing parallel. As for your shading, try building up the bulk of the feather slowly with a small circling type motion (least that's what I do, not neccessarily what you have to do), and gradually build in the shades and of there needs to a lighter part, try gently very gently erasing. Your shadow itself could also stand some work, try to think of exactly where the light source is coming from,how strong it is and how close the object casting the shadow is to the thing it is casting a shadow on. Generally, if the object is closer, the shadow is very defined and similiarly is close to the object. If this is lying on a flat surface, the shadow would be close, small, dense. The majority of the shadow would actually be under the curve of the feather. So, I'm gonna wrap it up (cause it's a wall of text) and tell you a big thing that helped me with realist objects that aren't drawn from actual images, imagine going up and looking at them, picking them up, putting them down, and just observe how the shadow works (generally works best if you keep a fixed light source in mind and don't let yourself get distracted by things that are actually around you.) 3nodding Keep on trying, you will only get better over time. 'Less you break your wrist or something, then you'll probably regress.Oooohhh! So much good help! =D
I've never really seen a feather pen in real life, so I only had my imagination, and manga to work with. It was late at night, so internet was not an option for me. sweatdrop
Anywho, I see where your coming from. A pet peeve of mine is when people try to hide the hands in an anime drawing by putting them behind their backs. It looks messy, unprofessional, and just plain lazy.
What would be the difference between a quilll pen and a feather pen? I haven't seen either. SAd, uh. 14 years, I've been on this earth, yet, I have experienced so little....
*stares off into the distance*
As for the "don't get ditracted" thing.....
That's like tellinh a fish not to swim. I am soooo easily distracted. D=
The other day, I saw two squirrels chasing each other outside, so I jumped up from my couch, and ran out to go chase them. No shoes, no nuffin'!
And that's not the worst of it! =C
Annywho, your advice is great! When I have time, I'm going to try to work on it some more. I'm mostly only used to drawing anime, so I know my realistic drawings are effed up right now. XD
Thank Mister Nekros! Your advice is truly loved, welcomed, and cherished!@ You gets a big hug! =D
*huggles*
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:23 pm
Nekros Conrad Okay, so first off, I'm going to have to say that looks more like a quill rather than a feather pen. Sorry that is one of my very odd pet peeves. For a little more in depth view of it, remember that the writing utensil is designed to work with the hand. Meaning that the feather is curved out in a way that would be counteractive against the writing. Feathers also generally rather smooth to the touch along the sides, meaning that the numerous lines you drew are also not the best representation. (from this point, I'm busting out my quill to observe. just letting you know) The definition of each hair-like-thing ( wonderful vocabulary) is very faint, so it would not be shown unless you were much closer than it seems in your drawing. That being said, the edges are not entirely smooth, there are small thin breaks that run at about a 45 degree angle to the centerpeice of the feather (rather unneccessary to point that out, buut eh). The nib of the pen seems to be rather odd angle in accordance to the rest of the structure to it, it does not seem to be coming out of the holdy part evenly, try having the tip of the nib come to a point parallel to the end of the holdy part and bothe ends of the holdy thing parallel. As for your shading, try building up the bulk of the feather slowly with a small circling type motion (least that's what I do, not neccessarily what you have to do), and gradually build in the shades and of there needs to a lighter part, try gently very gently erasing. Your shadow itself could also stand some work, try to think of exactly where the light source is coming from,how strong it is and how close the object casting the shadow is to the thing it is casting a shadow on. Generally, if the object is closer, the shadow is very defined and similiarly is close to the object. If this is lying on a flat surface, the shadow would be close, small, dense. The majority of the shadow would actually be under the curve of the feather. So, I'm gonna wrap it up (cause it's a wall of text) and tell you a big thing that helped me with realist objects that aren't drawn from actual images, imagine going up and looking at them, picking them up, putting them down, and just observe how the shadow works (generally works best if you keep a fixed light source in mind and don't let yourself get distracted by things that are actually around you.) 3nodding Keep on trying, you will only get better over time. 'Less you break your wrist or something, then you'll probably regress.Isn't a quill the same thing as a feather pen?
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Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:39 pm
Whoa that's quite a mouthful about a simple feather... Um.. I'll just comment about the hand then. (Even though I suck atrociously at hands).
First thing I'll say you have a nice eye for detail. I like how you make the whatever-that-is drip as such in a contour. I like how the overall picture looks.
The hand itself... The obvious thing to do is to compare your picture with your real hand. Ask yourself, "Is the position of the hand that I'm drawing a comfortable/natural position for a hand?" and you sit there for an hour shooting the bird at your cat. xD (I did that once...) I see that you try to do that, but with the oddness of the perspective it looks like you left out the middle finger and the fingers shown don't have defined knuckles. They seem kinda squishy (I have such a huge problem with that too. >.<) Not to mention you should also consider the flexibility of the stem of the flower. Not sure if they bend that much, which goes back to 'is that a natural position for a hand' and yadda yadda.
Crap this is a lot of writing. I'll end my shpiel here then. Hope this helps some.
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Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2009 6:50 pm
fatcheehcs Whoa that's quite a mouthful about a simple feather... Um.. I'll just comment about the hand then. (Even though I suck atrociously at hands). First thing I'll say you have a nice eye for detail. I like how you make the whatever-that-is drip as such in a contour. I like how the overall picture looks. The hand itself... The obvious thing to do is to compare your picture with your real hand. Ask yourself, "Is the position of the hand that I'm drawing a comfortable/natural position for a hand?" and you sit there for an hour shooting the bird at your cat. xD (I did that once...) I see that you try to do that, but with the oddness of the perspective it looks like you left out the middle finger and the fingers shown don't have defined knuckles. They seem kinda squishy (I have such a huge problem with that too. >.<) Not to mention you should also consider the flexibility of the stem of the flower. Not sure if they bend that much, which goes back to 'is that a natural position for a hand' and yadda yadda. Crap this is a lot of writing. I'll end my shpiel here then. Hope this helps some. Lol! Thanks! Um, the stuff dripping down is blood. Oh, and I sorta forgot to mention two things:
!.) The piccy of the pen is sideways. The shadow is supposed to be on the bottom. I couldn't fix it after I scanned it in. XD
2.) The flower is NOT a rose. I don't know what it is. I guess I sorta just made it up. It sorta looks like those flowers that Eeyore eats to me. xd
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Posted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 3:30 pm
I have but three words for you if you want to learn realistic:
Soft shadowing. eek
(Its the key to everything that wants to look realistic. Apply layers of shadows, from almost true blacks to almost full whites. Look around you. Where there's light, there are shadows. Some shadows have hard-edges where the source of light is very near, some shadows have soft edges. Then there a highlights, sometimes point-shaped, sometimes shaped like nothing that could belong to the object its on.
Eventually you get a feeling for volume and you become able to plan most of the shadow and hightlight placement you need in your head. Until then its a hard way. Additional advice: Don't just copy what you see in reality. Move around it and try to understand exactly WHY the shadows and highlights look how they look, why they bend around one shape that way and another shape this way... [/brabble] )
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