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 Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:07 am
This is what I don't get about all these religions...
If God is all powerful, why doesn't he do more things? Why have these tiny little instances that there are only a few witnesses for, and that mostly can be explained by man's activities? Why not make it absolutely clear to everyone that He exists?
If He caused a global even that completely defied the laws of physics (like maybe turning off Earth's gravity for all humans for half an hour and then turning it back on), I might be inclined to believe. Why not do something like that?
Why not regenerated the limbs of all Christian or Jewish amputees spontaneously? That would be a miracle I could believe in.
Why make the world full of unhappy? You're God! You say you love your children; why make so many unhappy things happen? Yeah, yeah, free will, but why make the temptation of the apple at all? Why give us free will at all? How can angels sin if they don't have free will? That makes no sense.
Bah.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:21 am
I used to struggle with this a lot when I still believed. And when I realized I was losing my faith, I begged and begged any god that might be out there to give me a really obvious sign of his/her/its existence. I had those small incidents that people like my mother always believed were traces of God's presence, but nothing that really made me feel like there was definitely someone upstairs who was speaking to me.
Christians always say that this is the point of faith: that we believe God's there even though we can't objectively know... but if we're supposed to believe in the Bible, clearly God used to have no problem making his presence objectively known. Why did the ancient Jews have the luxury of objective knowledge while we're supposed to take it on faith that this being exists? I can understand being asked to have faith that "God will provide," for instance, but I can't understand being asked to have faith that "God will provide" when we also have to take his very existence on faith. And I have a hard time taking anything on faith when people tell me the reason I should is so that I will avoid punishment in the afterlife, the existence of which nobody can objectively know.
Why does God supposedly reward blind faith like this when someone could just as easily have blind faith in some other god? Why are we punished when he gives us no more evidence to prove his existence than there is for any other deity? It seems like God rewards the gullible, but only if they fall for the right tale. If God's desire is for us to worship him of our own free will, shouldn't he at least give us a fair chance at knowing he is real?
No Christian has ever been able to give me a convincing answer to this.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:45 am
Because he's made up by man. Man has flaws, god has flaws.
You see, this is what I mean the uselessness of arguing god's logic. Here's an something.
"Hey, I've got an awesome animal in this box!"
"Oh yeah, how awesome can it be if it fits in a box."
"Oh it's awesome. In fact it's an elephant!"
"How the hell can an elephant fit in a box?"
"He's special. He can do awesome things too."
"Lemme see!"
No! If you open the box, he'll disappear and you'll be cursed so that nothing extremely cool ever happens to you. Like, you'll never win the lottery, meet your soul mate, or see Bigfoot!"
Right off the bat, the big thought we are all having is "This guy is full of s**t!" That's the same thing with god. You wouldn't waste any serious time debating with this guy about the logic of there being an elephant in a box so why argue about what god does, especially when there are thousands of versions of what it does!
THEISTS WANT YOU TO ARGUE ABOUT THIS BECAUSE 1) YOU CAN'T WIN SINCE THEY CAN ALWAYS MAKE UP MORE BULLSHIT (we can't know what god thinks cause he's so much higher in thought than we are), AND 2) IT DISTRACTS FROM THE MAIN ISSUE OF THE LIKELINESS OF GOD, which is next to nothing.
Keep this in mind, the minute you think "why would god" you are already accepting it's existence! The theists have you thinking like them right off the bat! Don't! No matter what you hear, always remember there millions of people out there arguing the same thing for completely different gods. Don't be like them and think that this one is any more likely simply because it's popular where you live.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:36 pm
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:57 pm
Maybe you are able to dismiss questions like this, but not all of us are. Personally, having been brainwashed by Baptists not even a decade ago, I still have moments of sheer terror where my mind is racing and I'm in a cloud of "what if they were right?" Addressing questions like this and picking them apart helps me ground myself again and snap out of it and I am positive that there are others who feel the same way. There IS value to these discussions and dismissing the subject as "don't start to think like theists" reminds me of the days when I was so religious I used to plug my ears every time anyone started discussing doubts.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 2:24 pm
As a person with logical thinking, aka common sense, we have basically been around far longer then this "god" character has. No god has ever proved their existence to us in other forms than myths and legends. The one thing that is so damn obvious is that it wasn't an all-knowing guy who gave us the first aircraft, it was two ordinary bicycle makers with a taste for adventure that gave us wings.
Religion comes from the old times where science was only budding and people couldn't find a way to explain things in the world, so they made up imaginary figures to explain these "phenomenon" that we now all call "Everyday life".
Back in the old days, when a solar eclipse occurred, the people would believe that god is putting out the sun for punishment, then after the people would apologize their asses off, the sun would go back. Nowadays, when a solar eclipse occurs, people flock from around the world just to see the five minutes of the moon in front of the sun.
Remember, men created rockets and shot their asses into space, there was no heaven, only celestial bodies.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 3:27 pm
I think the point is being missed a bit here. ^^;
We all agree (right?) that gods were most likely created by men to explain things. The purpose of this thread, from what I gathered from the OP, was to discuss this as if we were theists. If God did exist, then why doesn't he do something about *insert event here*? So talking about how we don't believe in him doesn't really fit the discussion posed by the OP.
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:46 pm
O_O....oh, crap. *dumb moment*
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Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:42 pm
alteregoivy This is what I don't get about all these religions... If God is all powerful, why doesn't he do more things? Why have these tiny little instances that there are only a few witnesses for, and that mostly can be explained by man's activities? Why not make it absolutely clear to everyone that He exists? If He caused a global even that completely defied the laws of physics (like maybe turning off Earth's gravity for all humans for half an hour and then turning it back on), I might be inclined to believe. Why not do something like that? Why not regenerated the limbs of all Christian or Jewish amputees spontaneously? That would be a miracle I could believe in. Why make the world full of unhappy? You're God! You say you love your children; why make so many unhappy things happen? Yeah, yeah, free will, but why make the temptation of the apple at all? Why give us free will at all? How can angels sin if they don't have free will? That makes no sense. Bah. haha you wana know what the excuse is? "we live in an imperfect world" i hate when people say that to defend religion.. WHY NOT MAKE IT PERFECT?!?!? -sigh- makes no sense.. if god loves all of his children.. why make some of them depressed? why make some murderers? why not stop people from dying horrible deaths? why not make it a perfect world..
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 1:39 pm
Because, as I have stated so many times before, EVEN if God did exist then he wouldn't love you.
Everyone who does believe in God fears him in some kind of way.
Whether it be not pleasing him enough to go to heaven or how powerful he is, it is some kind of fear.
From stories told of God, he sounds Fascist and cares for only himself.
He doesn't love humanity, he plays with it.
Sort of like how a child plays with toys.
That is if there WAS a God. I'm Atheist so I do not believe he exists nor ill I ever considering no one has given me expectable evidence to his existence or possible existence.
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Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2009 2:07 pm
He's a bully with a wonderful sense of humor.
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Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:18 am
You guys are right. I think a lot of Christians especially feel that their God is benevolent... but the fact of life just don't back that up. IF there is a God, either a) he doesn't care and/or only helps a select few, or b) he's malevolent. In either case, why reward a bully?
I was just having a moment of frustration with people who keep saying, "Oh, God saved me and helped me and He's so wonderful!" when I made this post. confused
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Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 3:59 pm
god is also supposed to be all knowing
well then didnt he know the snake would trick adam and eve into the garden of eden???
and also wouldnt he know that
a) the holocaust would happen
b) there would be slavery
and
c) all the other bad things that have happened to humanity
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Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2009 12:49 pm
all god cares about is if youve read his best seller
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