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I was searching for information on Guinea Pigs when this came up..I decided to read it and it sickened me.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/this_world/4038375.stm

Incidentally, this morning I was also reading about some law in my state where they are allowed to basically force you to take a Swine Flu vaccine (I had the swine flu when it was first making it's rounds and to tell you the truth it was not much different than the normal flu...). If you refuse it you could be put in jail or under quarantine. I haven't heard anything about it in the news, but apparently the vaccine is toxic not the best thing you can do to your body.

Does anyone know more about this type of thing? I know there was a thread here a few months ago about the HPV vaccine as well. Can they really get away with forcefully making people take medicines or vaccines that are harmful to them like this? It's one thing is you volunteer for or are getting paid for doing this, and know all of the risks...but this is too extreme for me.

For me, it's not even the risk factor of getting the disease, it's just how bad the disease it's self is. I would not get a swine flu vaccine, I already had the swine flu and it was nothing like the media is portraying it. I also wouldn't get a flu vaccine, unless I were like, about to start trying for kids or getting up there in years and was at high risk to die from it.

Same with the animals, the standard rabies and distemper, yesyesyes. Rabies is terrible and I would never want my babies to go through that. But some of the other things they're coming out vaccines for are just stupid. It's good to get sick once in a while.

I agree, I think people are becoming germaphobes, and it is good to get sick once and a while. Not fun, sure. But I saw on the news, gloves for kids. I mean, it just seems silly to me, lets put a physical barrier between us and germs, use hand sanitizers several times a day, leaving our skin dry and cracked so that we aren't exposed to ANY germs. Then we go and pay to get vaccinated, which, is basically exposing you to that very bacteria so you can build an immunity. Um...WTF.

Anywho, maybe the media is portraying it much worse than it is. I mean, creating mass hysteria is kind of their agenda...But from what I've heard, what sucks about this disease is that it doesn't just kill old, young, or people with weakened immune system. My friend got it, and she was extremely sick for a few weeks. Though her diet consists of pizza and candy. So I mean, maybe that had a lot to do with it. But we're pretty lucky, incidence is fairly small in my city for one reason or another. Actually my whole country! I think there was only one death, and it was a woman in labor. The baby is fine.
http://www.westislandchronicle.com/article-347027-Patrols-kick-off-silver-summer.html

In the US, there is not much reason to get a flu shot unless you live or work with high risk individuals. If you work at a school for young children, an elderly facility, or a hospital, go for it. But if you live or work with people who are all similar to your age and health, it's pointless. Getting the flu won't kill you unless your immune system is compromised. I never even heard of getting a flu shot until I was older. When I was little I got the flu every year and I am still here. I don't get it as much anymore, but I do still get it and to be honest, I welcome the sleep I get when I'm sick.

I am not against vaccines, as I stated before. Just unnecessary ones.

@Wolfen: I have since read it and I still don't agree with it. Small steps towards taking all of our freedoms away are still steps.

@Crazy: Totally. It's good to wash your hands before you put them anywhere near your mouth or eyes, but people do go overboard. I wash and/or sanitize my hands often, but that's because I'm constantly in contact with different animals (work, home, volunteering, boyfriend's house...pretty much the only places I ever go) and zoonoses aren't fun.

I keep forgetting you don't live in the US. Apparently they're so worried about it here because of all the people that died in Mexico. No disrespect to any Mexicans or people from Mexico, but from what I've read their health care system leaves much to be desired and that's probably why there were so many deaths there. Your friend's case may be because of her diet. Although, I don't have the best diet myself and again, I didn't die. I was sick for a week, but only sick to the point I couldn't do anything for about 4 days out of that week.

Woha; that's crazy!

I've never had a flu shot; my mother was really against the pointless vaccines, just because the flu really isn't that bad.. and guess what I've only had the flu three times.

I think you should only get vaccinated for the really bad stuff... but seriously people give their children chicken pox shots so they won't have it as long. IT'S A CHILDHOOD THING.. the worst that will happen is they scratch them, they get infected and they will have a bunch of scars when they are older.. and wait that can happen even with the vaccine!

As for the whole swine flu thing; apparently it is like a regular flu and bronchitis. Thousands of people die from the regular flu every year.. so I don't see why this one is so different.. maybe because it is respiratory too.

When I was little I got some kind of vaccine and I went into anaphylactic shock; my mother shat bricks and the only other thing I've had in my body since was a tetanus shot when I was 13 after a dog bit me.

waivers are tricky, but here's a quote with some information on getting exceptions to vaccination.

That was an interesting video, but what are this lady's credentials to be able to ay all of this?

Also, Obama declared it a national emergency, which means they are not allowed to force the vaccine on people in MA if they want. I don't think they actually have enough vaccine to do this, but it's interesting how everything played out exactly how I was saying it would.