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 Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:20 am
Captain_Shinzo xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx Cutting off the p***s is mutilation. Cutting off the foreskin of an infant who won't remember it, and who probably will never care, who won't have any negative results except that they (*OMG*) have lost their foreskin, is not mutilation, except as an very extreme exaggeration. Losing your foreskin makes sex somewhat less pleasurable (and makes controlling your orgasm harder), since it's a very sensitive part. So it's not like there are no consequences. And on FGM, there are less extreme examples, like removing the clitoral hood (somewhat akin to foreskin). Is that acceptable? That's pretty minor.
It's like the religious fanatics who believe you have to wear special underwear when having sex.1.) Leaving the skin on is just about as good as (or only marginally better than) taking it off. 2.) Those religious fanatics only do that because they believe that this passage here implies a kind of thing that connects with this passage here and then when juxtaposed with a quote from this Apostle and this saint... says to wear special undrwear. In the Tanakh, however, it literally says G-d commanded 'And you shall circumcise your male children at 8 days of age.' Very Explicit.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:25 am
xxEternallyBluexx Artto xxEternallyBluexx Cutting off the p***s is mutilation. Cutting off the foreskin of an infant who won't remember it, and who probably will never care, who won't have any negative results except that they (*OMG*) have lost their foreskin, is not mutilation, except as an very extreme exaggeration. Losing your foreskin makes sex somewhat less pleasurable (and makes controlling your orgasm harder), since it's a very sensitive part. So it's not like there are no consequences. And on FGM, there are less extreme examples, like removing the clitoral hood (somewhat akin to foreskin). Is that acceptable? That's pretty minor. And nope. They do FGM out of hospitals to girls who are old enough to remember it being done, and because it's so much smaller then it's male counterpart, you have to remove more. There is also no religious reason to have it done, except some Muslim folk take modesty a little too far. Most of the reasons why male circumcision is okay/good, just plain don't apply to females. Yeah, if I remember correctly even the Muslim FGM is in fact just interprative of scripture and a cultural thing, and not explicitly commanded in the Koran.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:27 am
Lumanny the Space Jew Aakosir Quote: Circumcision or Not? Benefits and After Affects Finally, circumcision might have a small protective effect against AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), "some research suggests that circumcised men may be at a reduced risk for developing syphilis and HIV infections." Some scientists blame any increased risk in uncircumcised penises on increased mucosal cells that can allow infection to enter more easily. What's more, microorganisms can flourish in a warm, moist area under the foreskin. Circumcision aside, the AAP policy states that behavioral factors continue to be far more important in determining a person's risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases that circumcision status. The bottom line: A man should continue to wear a condom and practice monogamy to keep STDs at bay. Don't Look Back There's no quickie answer to whether reduced sensitivity meaningfully affects a circumcised man's sex life. "Whether there's a significant difference is somewhat in the eye of the beholder," says sex researcher and educator Herb Samuels, Ph.D., who doesn't believe that diminished pleasure should be a determining factor in the circumcision decision. To circumcised men who are concerned they're missing out, Ruth Westheimer, Ph.D., popularly known as "Dr. Ruth," says, "I tell them that, as long as they are having orgasms, this is not something that they should be worrying about." With the pros and cons of making the cut still under debate, religion, culture and personal preferences might reign as the biggest considerations in whether to part with the p***s's foreskin. If his parents picked circumcision and a man wants his foreskin back, forget about it, though plastic surgery can construct something similar. Before going under the knife, however, a man should know this: American women's preference, according to surveys described in Reuben's Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex, is a circumcised p***s, which the women say is cleaner, sexier and nicer to handle. Female Circumcision When a woman's clitoris, hood and labia are removed, the operation is called female circumcision. But the practice is better known as " female genital mutilation," because it eliminates a woman's ability to enjoy sexual sensations. There are no health reasons for the surgery, most commonly performed in some African, Middle Eastern and Southeast Asian countries, and in fact it is often performed in unsanitary conditions, which can increase the chance of serious health problems. Mle and female cricumcison are the same... as long as the male circumciser goes crazy and cuts way too much off while simultaneously the female circumciser is lazy and barely starts the process before stopping.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:35 am
divineseraph Aakosir I do not see a problem with circumcising males. I believe it has been proved to help with disease risks or something along those lines. It's been a while since I've taken any medical classes so pardon the rough knowledge. But I definitly do not agree with circumcising females. It is a totally different process and serves no use, then to make the female miserable. So there's my two cents. It has been proven that circumcision does not lower the risk of disease. By the logic that removing it makes the p***s easier to clean, then by all means- Cut off our toes so they're harder to stub, cut off our earlobes so there's nothing to wash behind, cut our noses back to the cavity so no mucous can accumulate to be blown out. It's a terrible, stupid reason to permanently mutilate another human being who can not consent to it. For the last time, people! This thread is NOT about the hygiene benefits. WHether or not there are any (and I don't believe there really are in environments which provide soap and water), it is completely IRRELEVANT. The Jews circumcise because G-d commanded it. Any hygeine benefits that there may have been for a circumcised man in the ancient Middle East or might still be today(but we all seem to doubt that there any today)were and are just EXTRA. A Fringe benefit, if you will. Religious circumcision is NOT about Hygeine and discussion of the hygeine argument(however many holes seem to appear in it with each passing year of medical science) is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:51 am
Aakosir Lumanny the Space Jew Aakosir Quote: Circumcision or Not? Benefits and After Affects Finally, circumcision might have a small protective effect against AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), "some research suggests that circumcised men may be at a reduced risk for developing syphilis and HIV infections." Some scientists blame any increased risk in uncircumcised penises on increased mucosal cells that can allow infection to enter more easily. What's more, microorganisms can flourish in a warm, moist area under the foreskin. Circumcision aside, the AAP policy states that behavioral factors continue to be far more important in determining a person's risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases that circumcision status. The bottom line: A man should continue to wear a condom and practice monogamy to keep STDs at bay. Don't Look Back There's no quickie answer to whether reduced sensitivity meaningfully affects a circumcised man's sex life. "Whether there's a significant difference is somewhat in the eye of the beholder," says sex researcher and educator Herb Samuels, Ph.D., who doesn't believe that diminished pleasure should be a determining factor in the circumcision decision. To circumcised men who are concerned they're missing out, Ruth Westheimer, Ph.D., popularly known as "Dr. Ruth," says, "I tell them that, as long as they are having orgasms, this is not something that they should be worrying about." With the pros and cons of making the cut still under debate, religion, culture and personal preferences might reign as the biggest considerations in whether to part with the p***s's foreskin. If his parents picked circumcision and a man wants his foreskin back, forget about it, though plastic surgery can construct something similar. Before going under the knife, however, a man should know this: American women's preference, according to surveys described in Reuben's Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex, is a circumcised p***s, which the women say is cleaner, sexier and nicer to handle. Female Circumcision When a woman's clitoris, hood and labia are removed, the operation is called female circumcision. But the practice is better known as " female genital mutilation," because it eliminates a woman's ability to enjoy sexual sensations. There are no health reasons for the surgery, most commonly performed in some African, Middle Eastern and Southeast Asian countries, and in fact it is often performed in unsanitary conditions, which can increase the chance of serious health problems. Mle and female cricumcison are the same... as long as the male circumciser goes crazy and cuts way too much off while simultaneously the female circumciser is lazy and barely starts the process before stopping. Just a little joke. Very little, apparently.
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Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:55 am
Lumanny the Space Jew Aakosir Lumanny the Space Jew Aakosir Quote: Circumcision or Not? Benefits and After Affects Finally, circumcision might have a small protective effect against AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), "some research suggests that circumcised men may be at a reduced risk for developing syphilis and HIV infections." Some scientists blame any increased risk in uncircumcised penises on increased mucosal cells that can allow infection to enter more easily. What's more, microorganisms can flourish in a warm, moist area under the foreskin. Circumcision aside, the AAP policy states that behavioral factors continue to be far more important in determining a person's risk of contracting sexually transmitted diseases that circumcision status. The bottom line: A man should continue to wear a condom and practice monogamy to keep STDs at bay. Don't Look Back There's no quickie answer to whether reduced sensitivity meaningfully affects a circumcised man's sex life. "Whether there's a significant difference is somewhat in the eye of the beholder," says sex researcher and educator Herb Samuels, Ph.D., who doesn't believe that diminished pleasure should be a determining factor in the circumcision decision. To circumcised men who are concerned they're missing out, Ruth Westheimer, Ph.D., popularly known as "Dr. Ruth," says, "I tell them that, as long as they are having orgasms, this is not something that they should be worrying about." With the pros and cons of making the cut still under debate, religion, culture and personal preferences might reign as the biggest considerations in whether to part with the p***s's foreskin. If his parents picked circumcision and a man wants his foreskin back, forget about it, though plastic surgery can construct something similar. Before going under the knife, however, a man should know this: American women's preference, according to surveys described in Reuben's Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex, is a circumcised p***s, which the women say is cleaner, sexier and nicer to handle. Female Circumcision When a woman's clitoris, hood and labia are removed, the operation is called female circumcision. But the practice is better known as " female genital mutilation," because it eliminates a woman's ability to enjoy sexual sensations. There are no health reasons for the surgery, most commonly performed in some African, Middle Eastern and Southeast Asian countries, and in fact it is often performed in unsanitary conditions, which can increase the chance of serious health problems. Mle and female cricumcison are the same... as long as the male circumciser goes crazy and cuts way too much off while simultaneously the female circumciser is lazy and barely starts the process before stopping. Just a little joke. Very little, apparently.
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Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 8:15 am
Aakosir I obviously do not agree. Looking at the anatomy you're taking away a lot. A male can still have an orgasm without the foreskin. A woman can also, but it is a lot more difficult. The labia and clitoris are so sensitive, they are where most of the stimulation is. I think the equivilant is chopping off the head of the p***s. That is definitly mutilation. Could you imagine what a cirsumcised woman must look like. I cry for them. There are lots of types of FGM. Type Ia FGM is the removal of the clitoral hood, would you find that acceptable?
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Posted: Fri Aug 06, 2010 9:45 am
Artto Aakosir I obviously do not agree. Looking at the anatomy you're taking away a lot. A male can still have an orgasm without the foreskin. A woman can also, but it is a lot more difficult. The labia and clitoris are so sensitive, they are where most of the stimulation is. I think the equivilant is chopping off the head of the p***s. That is definitly mutilation. Could you imagine what a cirsumcised woman must look like. I cry for them. There are lots of types of FGM. Type Ia FGM is the removal of the clitoral hood, would you find that acceptable?
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:57 am
bluntly, I don't see the conflict.
male circumcision is a medically accepted practice- would you consider vaccinations (permanently altering the immune system) 'mutilation,' with or without consent?
that being said, Jews do this because we are commanded to do this.
so where's the conflict again? Jews do it because of their religion, Christians do it because of medicine.
which brings me to an odd thought- was Abraham Divinely inspired, or a Genius?
did he know what circumcision would do, or was he just doing what he was told by God?
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