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Kokihi
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:44 pm


cilayin
lol ya, it's pretty awful. I believe the words he used was something like, it's not for the "emotionally sensitive photographer" or something like that.

more like "For the cold hearted, greedy SOBs who don't mind exploiting people for profit."
PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:50 pm


Ya, that works too.

cilayin
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Kokihi
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 5:03 pm


lol
PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 8:02 am


I must say, I am very lazy and as far as getting into a gallery, I haven't even spoken with a gallery owner to start even thinking about putting up my stuff. I don't know if I should make some 20 inch prints first, frame them up and then speak with a gallery owner (in which case it's gonna be forever because that costs over $100 each)

I'm thinking I'd like to show my stuff to a gallery proprietor and they would tell me which shots they want to show.

D'ya think that sort of thing happens?

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cilayin
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:08 pm


Phoenixliv
I must say, I am very lazy and as far as getting into a gallery, I haven't even spoken with a gallery owner to start even thinking about putting up my stuff. I don't know if I should make some 20 inch prints first, frame them up and then speak with a gallery owner (in which case it's gonna be forever because that costs over $100 each)

I'm thinking I'd like to show my stuff to a gallery proprietor and they would tell me which shots they want to show.

D'ya think that sort of thing happens?


Well if you're unsure about your prints or anything I'd say first talk to someone, whoever that might be and see what he/she thinks, get some pros/cons about your photos.

It'd definitely help to know which shots to print because if you print something that you like but they don't... That's well. neutral I think that says it all haha

As far as thinking if that sort of thing happens. (I'm assuming you're talking about stuff dealing with the gallery and not an earlier post of mine) Well, it can. I mean, it's not exactly the norm or something that happens everyday but it's not impossible. I say it's worth a try at least.
PostPosted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:55 pm


its kinda sad that it seems so hard to get your work into a gallery

Kokihi
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HipsterCrochets

PostPosted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 2:53 pm


How would you go about getting an apprenticeship for wedding photography or portraits [family photos]?
I'm 15 years old atm, but in a few months I'll be 16. I love taking picture of people, I did wedding photo's for a family friend and they turned out nice, and I also do portraits for friends and family. I did homecoming dance photos for my cousin. So I think I have the talent for it, I just don't know how to go about getting an apprenticeship. Any tips?

Got paid for this photo of my cousin:
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 11:03 pm


Lula Spooner
How would you go about getting an apprenticeship for wedding photography or portraits [family photos]?
I'm 15 years old atm, but in a few months I'll be 16. I love taking picture of people, I did wedding photo's for a family friend and they turned out nice, and I also do portraits for friends and family. I did homecoming dance photos for my cousin. So I think I have the talent for it, I just don't know how to go about getting an apprenticeship. Any tips?

Got paid for this photo of my cousin:
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2

I would love to know the same thing. xp sweatdrop

Kokihi
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HipsterCrochets

PostPosted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:48 pm


Kokihi
Lula Spooner
How would you go about getting an apprenticeship for wedding photography or portraits [family photos]?
I'm 15 years old atm, but in a few months I'll be 16. I love taking picture of people, I did wedding photo's for a family friend and they turned out nice, and I also do portraits for friends and family. I did homecoming dance photos for my cousin. So I think I have the talent for it, I just don't know how to go about getting an apprenticeship. Any tips?

Got paid for this photo of my cousin:
1

2

I would love to know the same thing. xp sweatdrop

Yeah, that would be nice. haha
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:38 am


As you all know, I just started shooting June 2009. Really, all I did is take advantage of my network (Facebook). I have a business card with my name, email, and phone # that I hand out to anyone who inquires about me. I took advantage of Craigslist and meeting with aspiring models if they want to TFP (trade for print). I also networked on other photography websites and at the moment trying to get my feet wet with Wedding Professionals in my area. I believe that our network is our best asset in this business and if you're a shy-type. You're going to have to step your game up and start meeting people.

One of my mentors told me that to get started, you need to start small and own your neighborhood. It needs to be that when a neighbor even thinks of a photographer, you're the first in their mind. Own your zipcode, and work your way from there.

Since I started shooting, I've done paid jobs in night clubs, corporate events, and weddings.

I'll quote this from FredMiranda about how to get started with Wedding Photography. This section is about being a Second Shooter. Be very aware that pros expect you to bring your game face and your own gear.


Quote:
Question 8: How do I become a second shooter?

Answer 8: If you recognize a few facts before starting your campaign to become a second shooter, you will probably be able to tailor your efforts to be more successful.

-Any of the more successful shooters in your local market are probably getting multiple offers to assist every week. Many of these offers are to shoot for free. These offers are coming from shooters of a variety of skill and experience levels. So be aware that many of these positions are sought after, and placement is competitive.

-Most photographers already have a second/partner.

-Any photographer with common sense knows that he/she, when training a second shooter, is ultimately creating his/her own potential competition. Typically, the more secure photographers are confident enough in their talent that they are not threatened by this. However, be aware that "let me shoot just a few weddings with you to get some experience" doesn't sound all that appealing to even the most secure photographer. Personally, I would not be interested in working with anyone in my local area who wasn't willing to commit to an entire season, other than in the rare case where a "regular" second shooter was unavailable. Many pros will only invest in training you (and take the risk of subsequent competition) if they feel they are "getting their money's worth."

-Most savvy photographers will consider assurances that "I just want to give it a try, I'm not looking at doing this for myself as a business" to be disingenuous, even in the unlikely event that they are true. Personally, I would probably disqualify an applicant on that basis alone. The only exception would be if you have a REALLY good day job, such as being a doctor or senator.

-Some photographers will disqualify a potential applicant if they have pursued a "lowball" approach to their business in the past.

-Some photographers prefer to take on individuals as assistants before they are promoted to second shooter status. Assistants typically only help manage gear, and do not shoot.

When you are actually offered a position, here are some things that may be issues:
-The studio that employs you will typically own the copyright to anything you shoot for them.
-You may be faced with limitations on your ability to use images for your own portfolio. A common condition limits your "public" use of the images, such as on websites, but permits "in studio" use to show prospective clients.
-You may be forbidden to take outside work on your own
-You may be asked to sign a non-compete clause forbidding you from starting your own business in the area for a finite time period.
-You will almost certainly be forbidden from mentioning any outside business interests to clients of your employer (IE marketing your own wedding studio while on the job for your boss)
-You are probably going to have to furnish your own kit.
-Some photographers only work with seconds shooting on the same system (Canon or Nikon, usually)

Some of the above restrictions may make a given second-shooter position unsuitable for you and your personal goals. Policies vary widely even within your local market, so it pays to consider your options carefully.

Pay varies widely, but be aware that minimum wage laws typically apply in most states, even if the theoretical value of the training you are being provided exceeds the value of the work you produce.

Photographers prefer to work with people they know. Many photographers have groups and local get-togethers from time to time. If you can "get in" with a group and simply get to know them, they will likely make you aware of second shooter opportunities when they become available. Cold calls are, as in any business, a low percentage proposition.

Get a competitive portfolio! You would not believe some of the garbage that some applicants have shown me. Personally, I don't care so much about wedding experience if I see some great portraiture and photojournalism. Other photographers may want to see actual wedding work. Either way, you need to get objective peer review! Submitting your work on websites like this will give you a very good idea of how pros will react to your port. Further, savvy pros will probably not be all that interested in your "mad Photoshop skills" as either they or their in-house design will most likely be doing the post-work anyway for consistency's sake. It is more important to show good fundamentals than lots of bells & whistles.

Demonstrate a familiarity with the style and work of the person to whom you are submitting! No one likes mass-emails! I'd be much more inclined to look hard at an applicant who identified specific shots of mine they liked, or identified a stylistic quality they appreciate. Flattery (within reason) works wonders on most artists. If I receive an obviously generic form-letter asking to assist/second, it gets thrown away immediately.

The more effort you put into your application, the more likely your success. Sure, email is fine these days, but writing a REAL letter, perhaps with one or two high quality prints thrown in demonstrates how serious you are about the position. I'm not saying that you want to spend a fortune making a flush-mount album for every photographer to whom you're applying, but if you know a position is potentially open, and you're serious about it, being more creative and applying some real effort could pay dividends.

Be persistent but don't nag. As I said, most of us have regular assistants and seconds. However, many are probably like me in keeping a roledex of quality shooters who have applied in the past, in case the regular help isn't available. Periodically renewing contact in a polite way will keep you at the top of the list.


For the complete guide: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/728814

Kineyas
Vice Captain


Kokihi
Captain

PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 4:49 pm


holy god thats a lot of words.... eek
*reads about 1/2 way through before my eyes start to hurt*

thanks for the linkey+ quote!
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 11:57 pm


Big...Wall...of Text! My eyes burning_eyes I'll get through it..eventually..Thanks though. biggrin

HipsterCrochets


Kokihi
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 7:17 pm


Text walls are helpful, but they hurt xd
PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 9:15 pm


No pain, no gain, amirite? xp

Kineyas
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Kokihi
Captain

PostPosted: Sun Nov 08, 2009 10:14 pm


urttlyrit. lol...heh...I loled.


*god I hate talking like that!
translation: Your totally right!*
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