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Minerva the Bookwyrm Crew
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Posted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 10:16 pm
We have a thread for both our most beloved and our most hated characters, and no one got offended if someone disliked a character that he/she thought was cool. As a result, I think that since we have a thread about our fave ships here it’s safe to make one for our least-fave ones as long as no one is overtly rude.
Relieve your stress by sharing what pairings bother you in the books and in fan art/fiction!
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 9:40 am
Ohh nice thread, Min (:.
I personally can not stand Draco with any of the main four. (Golden Trio and Ginny). I don't have anything against Draco, but I don't like reading it. I've tried, believe me! Plus, I noticed quite a few author write Draco totally OOC with those pairings. I guess that turns me off of it.
I don't know if this constitutes, but I hate when I read a marauder era fic and all of Lily's friends end up with Remus and Sirius. How likely is it that a guy and girl go out together and their best friends end up together? Uhh.. not very.
There isn't many canon ships I can think of now that I despise. Hmm.. I'll figure out some more and post them here biggrin
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 10:25 am
This explains it all for me. I believe JK should have went on with her Perwett, near squib girl, she made for Harry and not stuck him randomly with Ginny. Here is the link: http://eva-black.deviantart.com/art/Six-years-of-Harry-and-Ginny-28473246
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Posted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 11:27 am
 First things first... that comic was totally hilarious. Anyways, on topic... In canon, I hate that Luna ended up with a no-name. I wanted Luna to be with Neville. I think that they just sort of.. I don't know, they never had real relationship, but from their characters I could see it happening. I am not overly fond of TonksxLupin. I know people like it, and I liked it at first. But then I found out why she hooked them up, and I think it was a total waste of what could have been good character development. Seriously. I don't hate it, but I hate the reason for it. Fanon, I hate DracoxAnybody in the books. Because it always sucks, to me. They either make him switch sides for no reason, or they hook him up with Pansy. Which to me is just wrong. Because Pansy is supposed to look like a pug, and Draco is good-looking. Good-looking guys do not hook up with ugly chicks. They just don't. And I don't like him being slashed. People use his mannerisms to explain him being gay, but his mannerisms aren't that of a gay guy, they're that of an aristocrat. Which he is. The only two Draco fics I have ever read that I really liked were both OC's, one where she was friends with Harry and the others, but his switching sides was beautifully detailed over the course of 6th year, and completely made sense. The other one, she was also a Slytherin, and she was as cocky and mean as he was. Unfortunately, neither one is still available online, from what I can tell. I also hate RonXHarry, or HarryXHermione. I always wanted Ron and Hermione to be together. Harry and Hermione would have been the most boring relationship she could have written. Her Main Character gets the Smart Girl Best Friend. That's original. But Smart Girl Best Friend isn't into Hero Main Character but instead likes Funny Normal Best Friend, that is a nice change. And everyone tries to make Ron's loyalty to Harry into a creepy gay crush. I'm going to say something shocking. Wait for it... wait for it.... A GUY CAN BE LOYAL TO A FRIEND WITHOUT IT BEING A GAY CRUSH. It could just be a man crush, after all. And a man crush isn't gay. It's just a guy being very fond of another guy, AS A FRIEND. Which is what Ron was with Harry. I just didn't see them as gay, okay? Actually, the only characters I like being slashed after reading Deathly Hallows are Sirius and Remus. Now that I can see happening. Because they both were not the main focus of their group, they were sort of like James' version of Ron and Hermione, except Sirius was more fun than Ron and Remus wasn't as stingy as Hermione. And I used to like seeing Snape slashed with either of them, but since DH and the whole Lily thing came out, it just seems so wrong to take him out of that character.
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Posted: Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:10 pm
That comic was hilarious. I can't stop cracking up!!! I wish i could do things like that!!!
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:55 am
I really don't like DracoXHarry, DracoXGood Guy pairings. Like ScottieBear said, he doesn't do good to switiching the the good side. They just don't write it right.
I also don't like Luna getting married to that one guy. Luna and Neville should have been together. I think that they were perfect for each other!! Both had grown up without any real friends and they found their friends (and each other) in the DA. (I did like that Neville because a Herbology professor!)
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Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:34 pm

Ooh! Nice idea (:
I reallyreallyreally dislike cross-generation pairings. (I.e. Hermionexany of the Mauraders.) I totally abhor HarryxHermione (though it's a popular pairing). I don't like seeing Ron with anyone except Hermione, though I don't mind her paired with other characters (usually).
I'm actually sort-of surprised at all the Draco pairing dislikers! XD It might just be my group of friends, but all the fanfic readers I know IRL are either DracoxHarry shippers or Dramione fans.
I love KatieInTheBox's comic XD I'm an H/G shipper, but that made my day (:
Ooh, thought of another one! I don't really like reading about maurader-era pairings D: Especially when Sirius gets a girlfriend, and she's some random person who doesn't make any sense. Even worse, when people pair main characters with OCs! Omglah! Maybe i just hate OCs in general. Yeah, I think that's it. /sigh.
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 6:07 am
Ooh this will be a good time to express my most hated pairing in all of Harry Potter...
HARRY/GINNY!
What was she thinking? Putting him with her?! She made Ginny way too popular for her own good, having tons of boyfriends that probably only wanted her for sexualness, and now she's putting her with the most popular boy? It makes me think that Ginny only likes Harry (at first) because he's famous and really popular. I know that's how most crushes are with young girls, but I think it didn't really go away as they got older. Now, my dislike of Ginny might be fueling my thoughts here, but I think she still only likes him for his popularity and looks. Though JK made everyone think that it's more than that...but she didn't even build on the relationship! Just little looks here and there, but was there ever a chapter where Harry and Ginny just talked? Or just SOMETHING other than them just talking about the DA. I know there was a chapter in...I think DH...where they were sitting together, holding hands, but that's how all of Ginny's relationships are! Holding hands at first, then kissing, then breakup. If you can even call that a relationship. But JK made it, just because Harry somehow liked her (which, by the way, she never really specified or worked up to it, it just kind of happened), that they got married. I wish she would've put him with someone like...Luna maybe. Or even Parvati would be better than Ginny. A little turn of events never hurt anyone...
Okay, now that my rambling's over with...uhm, I also hate George/Angelina. Uh-oh, I smell more rambling...
Okay, why put George with the one that FRED liked and FRED went to the Ball with? I think George would've at least respected his brother and not married the girl that he liked. Not that I ever liked Angelina, but her and Fred were together, and then just, all of a sudden, she marries George after Fred dies? They're not the same, people! They're two completely different people! This has led me to believe she has some kind of obsession with redheaded pranksters. Maybe another reason why I hate it is because I like George and would rather be with him, but that's not going to happen, obviously, so I guess I have to live with this, since it's already written. But I would've liked to see George with...maybe Katie Bell, I think they're a cute little couple.
I agree with you all on Luna/that one guy. I liked her with Neville, but I think Harry could've been another candidate for her husband. Either one would've been fine with me.
I also hate Harry/Cho. I'm not really blaming Harry for this one, he just has a crush and wants to take her to the dance, but she's taking advantage of that, just for bragging rights that she's dating The Chosen One. Then, when they would go out, she would just start crying for no reason and get mad at Harry, just because he was being honest! I knew that relationship would never work, Harry wouldn't go out with the preppy, girlie girl. He needs a better girl than that.
I love Lupin/Tonks. I think it's really cute. But I do wish JK would've built on the relationship before just springing it on us. She seems to have a habit of doing that. Randomly thinking up pairings and putting them in there. But, Lupin and Tonks are two of my favorite characters, and I have a habit of putting my favorite characters together, so I love Lupin/Tonks.
And, along with everyone else in the world of Harry Potter, I love Ron/Hermione. It's absolutely adorable. And she actually built on this one, which is why I like it. I mean, I could tell, from the minute they met, that they were going to get married.
Harry/Hermione is alright, but it's not my favorite. And, as far as Draco goes...I think he should be with...maybe Cho? I think they MIGHT be compatible, seeing as I think Ravenclaws and Slytherins can get along. But, I don't mind him with Ron or Harry. I guess it's just the classic fire and ice. Mean guy with nice guy. But I think him with an OC is best, as long as the OC doesn't automatically make him nice without backing it up.
As for Marauders...I love Sirius/Lupin. I always thought, with the Marauders, that James and Sirius were more best friends and Lupin and Pettigrew were kind of just along for the ride. In the memories of Marauder times, she doesn't go into detail on a friendship between any of them, other than James and Sirius. So, I think the guy who's popular in the group with the guy who's not is a good idea. Plus James/Sirius have more of a best friend/brother relationship, so I can't really see them together. But the loud prankster with the quiet bookworm intrigues me smile .
Also Snape/Lily....ahh love it. I'm kind of sad that JK made Lily marry James. He always seemed like such an arrogant b*****d, and Lily seemed really sweet and nice. It doesn't really seem like Lily would marry a guy like that...plus, her and Snape were best friends. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd rather marry someone who's been my best friend forever. And Snape was a nerd and Lily was his only friend. And I think Lily would've taken into consideration that the guy she married made fun of and teased her best friend. Ugh...this is all so confusing.
Wow, I ramble a lot biggrin . Sorry, I think I'm done now sweatdrop .
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:31 pm
Oh this is possibly my favorite thing to rant about! Let's see...
Out of Cannon: George/Angelina Okay, the main reason I dislike this pairing is because Angelina went out with Fred during their sixth year (Harry's fourth). It makes it seem as though Fred and George are the same person. Like Kineka said, they are both different people! They may look the same, but they are two very different people.
Harry/Cho Cho is an annoying, sad excuse for a Ravenclaw. She is also a human hosepipe. If anyone gets that reference, you're awesome.
Out of Fandom: Snape/Any student Snape would not like one of his students. It is completely out of character and he would never be a *****. "You get extra credit in potions if you do me a few favors..." NO! That is not Snape! Snape is a slimy old git who is bitter that the only woman he had ever loved married his worst enemy. That's the Snape we've learned to either love or hate. He is not a "sex god". That's Alan Rickman. Do not confuse a character with his actor.
Harry/Hermione I'm sorry, but I will never support this. Ron and Hermione was intended from the begining. I don't care how much the movies promote this pairing, I never will.
Fred/George I can't even talk about it. Talking about this 'pair' makes me die a little on the inside. Incest is wrong and twincest is even worst. Shame on anyone who loves that.
Sirius/Harry or Draco/Harry I'm not a fan of slash. Those two pairings make me die on the inside almost as much as Fred/George.
By the way, that comic is hilarious (:
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Posted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:09 pm
Canon
Remus/Tonks I'm glad that others dislike how this was done, and not just me. 3nodding JKR should've just told everyone that Remus had puppy love with Sirius instead of writing this. heart JKR is amazing at foreshadowing, but because she didn’t decide to make them a couple until after OotP was published, there was no indication of attraction between them whatsoever. They were together in more than one scene in OotP and no tension, or even apparent friendship, was mentioned at all. In HBP, them getting together was so random that it was ridiculous.
I also don’t think that their personalities are compatible as friends OR lovers. James and Sirius differed from Remus quite a bit, but they worked as friends for him because their outgoingness and refusal to accept 'no' for an answer helped draw Remus out of his shell. Tonks’ interests, quirkiness, and disorganisation would only make Remus uncomfortable.
Also, I think the way that Remus/Tonks was done hurt the representation of Tonks’ character. She was an independent auror who turned into a crybaby that couldn’t even manage to use her own powers because a man over a decade older than her didn’t want to shag her.
Ron/Hermione:
I know that almost everyone loves them together, but I can’t stand Ron, and I don’t think that he’s good enough for Hermione. Ron is too shallow and unintelligent to be in the same league as Hermione. I know that he isn’t as foolish as they make him out to be in the films, but he doesn’t have half of her talent or cleverness.
My main problem with Ron is how jealous he is of Harry. Sibling-envy is one thing, but nobody should be jealous of their best friend. My ex-best friend was jealous of me and....Well, she’s an ex-friend for a reason. Granted, it’s because she betrayed me, but I doubt she would’ve done it if she wasn’t so envious of me. I still can’t comprehend WHY she was jealous…
Anyway, Ron and Hermione don’t have the same interests either. Hermione’s most cherished activity is reading and studying to learn new things. Ron finds that boring. Quidditch is Ron’s favourite thing, and Hermione hates to fly.
Harry/Ginny:Almost everyone covered this one, so you can skip my rant on it if you want. I loved the comic about it! biggrin I wonder what JKR would say if she knew her main character's match was one of her least popular with her fans? I don't like Harry with Ginny because Ginny is an underdeveloped character. I feel like I don't know enough about her to determine if she's compatible with Harry. We know plenty about the Weasleys as a whole, but her in particular...She likes Quidditch and is good at Bat-Bogey hexes. That's about all we know. We learned more about Luna, who wasn’t introduced until OotP, than we did about Ginny, who was introduced in PS/SS.
In addition, Ginny and Harry NEVER ONCE had a conversation where the two of them were alone together before they started dating. Oh, wait, they did. It was in CoS while Ginny was in the process of reviving and Harry was in the process of dying, and only didn’t die courtesy of Fawkes. Yeah, both of them were in great condition for having a discussion then. *note the sarcasm*
I speculate that if JKR had given us more scenes with Ginny that I could have been a huge fan of Harry’s relationship with her, but the fact is that she didn’t, and I don’t.
Fanon
Any Cross-Gen Ship
Cross-generation pairings are adult/student pairings. Whether they’re students from Harry’s children’s gen matched with people from Harry’s gen, or if they’re characters from Harry’s gen coupled with people from the Marauders gen, it’s all ***** and it’s disgusting. I don’t understand how anyone can read/write it. I have a sister that’s fourteen, and if a man around thirty years-old slept with her, my parents and I would make sure that he was dead within the next 24 hours.
I assume that the fan author likes both characters in the pairing that they’re writing about. They're insulting the adult character that they supposedly like just by writing the fic. Most teens have a crush on someone older at some point, (I certainly did!) but the adult should know better. The writer is suggesting that the adult would willingly take advantage of a child.
I know that many people put Hermione with someone older because she's very intelligent and mature for her age. Well, precociousness does not make statutory rape okay. evil
As much as Hermione/Adult couples vex me, the cross-gen ships that bother me the most are Harry/Sirius and Harry/Remus because they’re meant to be to his surrogate parental figures. (Yes, I know that Molly and Arthur are his surrogate parents too, but that isn’t the point.) It ruins the loveliness of the relationship that Harry actually has with them by trying to make it something gross that it’s not. Besides, neither Sirius nor Remus would do that.
If a time turner is involved to make the two people in the ship the same age, or if the characters are at least eighteen by the time the romance takes place, then it isn’t as disturbing. There aren't any cross-gen ships that I like, but at least the concept doesn't make me angry and nauseous when it involved one of those two plot devices.
Any Incest Ship
I will concede that because of pureblood culture, pureblood cousins dating can be feasible. I don’t like it, and I won’t read it, but I’ll admit that it’s understandable. What JKR wrote does not imply that parent/child or sibling incest was done in the wizarding world, so where did all of the Lucius/Draco and Weasley-brother-incest come from? It’s horrifying. (Interestingly, I’ve never seen Ginny involved with any of her brothers.) Fred and George would probably be willing to have a threesome with the same girl/boy, but I don’t think they’d do anything just the two of them.
In my abnormal psychology class, I learned that sibling incest is common in abusive homes. If the children aren’t getting enough love from their parents, then they’ll reach out to one another, especially since no one understands how they feel better than a brother or sister in the same unpleasant household. This is why I don’t question the sanity of people that write Sirius/Regulus even though it’s not a relationship that I genuinely believed happened and I won’t write it. In fact, I read Sirius/Regulus once, and only once, out of curiosity after I took my abnormal psychology class. However, the Weasleys are anything but abusive, and I don’t think there’s any way that anyone could validate a relationship between any of them.
Any Bestiality Ship
I love Dobby and Firenze, but I don’t want to read about them being with someone else and, um, ‘putting the Quaffle through the hoop,’ so to speak. lol Crookshanks/Mrs. Norris is cute, but anything past mentioning them sauntering down the hallway together is more than I can stomach. No scaly mermaids either!
Werewolves and veelas are humans in form, so I’ve got no issues reading about them. wink Unless it’s the full moon in the case of the lycanthropes, of course.
Hated character/Anyone
If it’s a character that I can’t stand, then it would make me disturbed to read about them being romantic with someone. I speculate that that’s the case with most fan fiction readers. Keep fics that include Umbridge, Wormtail, Ron, Percy, Voldemort, or any Dursley snogging away from me, please! exclaim Aw, poor Draco; lots of you don't like reading about him. That's okay, I do! razz I like Lucius and Scorpius better, though.
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Minerva the Bookwyrm Crew
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Posted: Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:05 pm
 I agree wholeheartedly about George/Angelina. That's just wrong. George wouldn't have married a girl that Fred liked, and it makes Angelina, who always seemed like such a nice character to me, seem really shallow, because she might as well say 'Well, I couldn't have one, but the other's just as good.' Plus it gives me all these images of them going at it and her saying 'oh, Fred' and George getting upset. That is the worst thing ever. As far as Luna goes, if Jo had just left her as a quirky background character, I wouldn't mind the no name. But she was part of the Dept. of Mysteries group, and then in DH the whole scene she had on her ceiling made it really obvious that even though she hadn't been around much, she was a very important character. So she should have gotten one of the other sort of main character. I like her with Neville because they were both sort of outcasts, and I think that her quirks and her outgoingness would have helped pull him out a bit more. I don't like her with Harry so much because I can't see her as being in the spotlight, and marrying the Chosen One would have pushed her out for the world to gawk at. It's not that I think she couldn't handle it, I just don't think she deserved it. I agree wholeheartedly that Harry/Ginny totally came out of left field. It's as though the whole basis for that to make sense was that she'd had a crush on him. Although, you can't blame her for that, I mean, so did every other girl in school, all because he was 'the Chosen One.' Although I will say that she probably knew him a lot better than people give her credit for, because, and I know not many people believe this, but you get to know a person by watching them, not talking to them, and she definitely watched him. When you talk to someone, you hear what they are telling you, which is really what they want you to hear. When you watch them, all sorts of things slip. Still, there was no great basis for their relationship. I don't like any Dumbledore pairings. Any. It's just weird to me. I know that Dumbledore lost a lot of his popularity with readers when everything about his sister and Grindelwald came out, but to be honest, I said 'Hallelujah, a character flaw!' because prior to that he was just too damn perfect. Plus, yeah, he had a shady past, but you're supposed to judge people on who they are, not who they were, and he was a great man when he died. So, even though I know the bad stuff about him now, I still love him, and I still see him as a wise, kind old man who made his mistakes out of love. So pairing him with anyone just makes my skin crawl. I'm saying this now. NO SEVERUS PAIRINGS EVER AGAIN! NOR LILY, NOT JAMES!!! Severus and Lily was such a sweet story, why on Earth would anyone take that away? It's like Romeo and Juliet, only instead of them both dying separating them, it was a stupid remark from Serverus. And you can knock James/Lily all you like, but remember, Lupin said that James cooled down and wasn't such a bad guy when he was with Lily, so yeah, he was an arrogant jerk, but he changed... or grew up, depending on how you look at it. I think that James/Lily/Severus is just fine the way it is, and that it was probably the best canon relationship there was. And fanfictions with any one of them and not the others is WRONG. That being said, James/Severus is also wrong, there's a reason that Lily is in the middle when I mention it as a ship.
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Posted: Sun Aug 16, 2009 6:57 pm
Mia, I completely agree about James/Severus. It doesn’t make any sense and it’s just…awkward. Sirius/Remus is my fave ship, but a few times when I couldn’t find a good fic about them I read Sirius/Severus (because it’s fun to chalk up their anger to sexual tension) and Severus/Remus (because they’re both intelligent and reserved, so I like to see who cracks first), but Severus/James can’t be rationally explained. They were fighting because they were in rivaling Houses and – as they got older - because they wanted the same girl; not due to the fact that they wanted each other.
I also agree that Lily shouldn’t be with anyone other than Severus or James. In particular, I hate fics/art where she’s with Sirius or Remus because: 1) Neither Sirius, nor Remus, would betray James by dating the girl that he fancied so much. 2) Lily isn’t romantically compatible with either of them. 3) Sirius and Remus were snogging one another, so neither of them needed Lily. rofl
I never thought about if I approved of Angelina/George or not until I read this thread. After reading it, I searched for a George/Angelina fic to determine what I thought. In it, the twins went with their designated dates, and switched girls at some point during the night pretending to be one another (I could honestly imagine them doing that! lol ) and they discovered that they both liked each other’s date better. That’s why George wound up with Angelina. *shrugs* It was a good explanation, but I‘m still neutral towards that pairing the way I am towards canon Neville/Hannah and fanon Neville/Luna.
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Minerva the Bookwyrm Crew
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Posted: Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:03 am
First thing, love the comic!
Anyways, I was looking through some fanfic threads I saw: DracoxHermione SnapexHermione LupinxHermione HarryxHermione Creepy part? These people were completely serious. And for those of you who like SiriusxLupin fanfic... "But we're not gay Sirius." I love that. Back to the point. That... it's just... unnatural! Hermione with Snape, what! (Although there are some funny pics, "Another love note, miss granger?" But that's just making fun of Hermione.
About the Angelina George thing? That is so bull! George marrying Fred's old girlfriend? NO! George wouldn't do that and neither would Angelina! It makes George look like a git, and Angelina really heartless and shallow!
Next up... DH made me a huge SnapexLily fan (and maybe slightly hate James). I kind of think Lily was a little stuck up. When he first told er she was a witch, when hey made fun of them on the train. You know what I mean? She gave off the aura of an adored rich girl! Snape tried to pologize, she wouldn't even hear him out. I mean ignoring him for awhile? That's ok, cutting him from your life? Cruel.
Back to what I thought~
Ron and Hermione, I thought it was great, it wouldn't be a perfect graceful relationship, they would bicker. GinnyxHarry, I think that was originally for drama with Ron, but it was to sudden! All of a sudden Harry wants to think like a basilisk and rip her boyfriends to shreds. That's, well, odd. For awhile I thought LunaxHarry, but I realized, he doesn't have that big of a heart. LunaxNevile? Perfect, they're both a little odd, and don't have many friends.
Dumbledore is gay. I can see that, he never had a wife. The whole Dumbledore hitting on Harry? No. No. and No. (Although me and my friend made fun of that the entire sixth movie) The only person Dumbledore ever liked *spoiler alert* was Grindelwald. It makes sense, tey were both knowledgeable, but wanted the greater good for different reasons. Dumbledore, for his sister. Grindelwald, for Muggle entrapment.
Anyway, I'll come up with more later.
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