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Can you find proof for this? NOT on an abortion website? If it's true, then it should have made headlines somewhere because a movie being deemed incorrect is... well it's a pretty big statement.
I don't know Reagan's Presidency, but I don't pay attention to politics in detail.
I don't know Reagan's Presidency, but I don't pay attention to politics in detail.
I do have a link from Planned Parenthood. You can't really find much elsewhere--entertainment sites don't exactly care about political videos.
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/pp2/portal/files/portal/medicalinfo/abortion/fact-abortion-silent-scream.xml
Perhaps at least read it before you dismiss it as "omg biased because it's from PP"...please?
Just a few points...
Planned Parenthood
Misleading Statements, Exaggerations and Innuendoes in The Silent Scream
Claim:
"Brain waves have existed for six weeks" in the fetus displayed on the screen.
Expert Opinion:
Although some electrical impulses have been recorded as early as 10 weeks' gestation, these cannot be interpreted as or compared with brain waves. Genuine brain waves do not occur until the third trimester.
Claim:
Fetal heart rate rose from 140 to 200, which is abnormally high and reflective of fetal response to "imminent mortal danger."
Expert Opinion:
The heart rate of the fetus portrayed in the film does not change significantly at any time. Nevertheless, a fetal heart rate of 200 is within the normal range (normal 180-200 beats per minute) for this stage of pregnancy. It is also unlikely that the fetus had a heart rate of 140 that rose to 200. A rate of 140 is generally noted in the latter half of pregnancy.
Claim:
The large, well-developed fetal model intermittently picked up and displayed during the narrative of the abortion procedure is representative of a 12-week fetus.
Expert Opinion:
The fetal model displayed during the abortion procedure is much larger than a fetus of a 12 weeks' gestation model visualized by ultrasonography. The model compared in size to a fetus of 18 weeks' gestation (about 14cm or 5½" in crown-rump length [CRL]) as opposed to a fetus of 12 weeks gestation (about 6cm or 2½" in CRL). Such an inaccurate comparison is invalid.
Claim:
Many women who have an abortion suffer severe and lasting psychological damage.
Expert Opinion:
Serious emotional problems following abortion are uncommon. Most women report a sense of relief, although some may experience temporary depression. Serious psychological disturbances after abortion occur less frequently than after childbirth.
Claim:
There were 100,000 illegal abortions annually in the US in 1963.
Expert Opinion:
100,000 illegal abortions is considered by experts to be an underestimation. Although there are no accurate data on the number of illegal abortions prior to its legal performance, Dr. Christopher Tietze, a demographer who was known worldwide for the scientific quality of his work, estimated that in 1963, the numbers ranged between 200,000 and 1,200,000. It is generally believed that the figure was closer to the higher level, and has risen little since abortion was legalized (currently about 1,500,000). In 1963, only those botched abortions having serious complications requiring hospitalization could be counted. Without a legal requirement for reporting, there are no accurate estimations as to what percentage of the degrading, dangerous, illegal abortions was successful without such complications.
Claim:
The crime syndicate is heavily involved in the abortion industry today.
Expert Opinion:
There is nothing to prove or even suggest that the crime syndicate is currently involved in the provision of abortion services. However, it is a well-known fact that organized crime was heavily involved with illegal abortion. The high cost of illegal abortion made it lucrative for underworld elements. In the 1960s, illegal abortions cost from $750 to several thousand dollars. Considering inflation rates over the past 20 years, the cost of illegal abortions now would be more than triple that of the 1960s. Today [1985] the average cost for a first-trimester abortion is $200.
Claim:
"Brain waves have existed for six weeks" in the fetus displayed on the screen.
Expert Opinion:
Although some electrical impulses have been recorded as early as 10 weeks' gestation, these cannot be interpreted as or compared with brain waves. Genuine brain waves do not occur until the third trimester.
Claim:
Fetal heart rate rose from 140 to 200, which is abnormally high and reflective of fetal response to "imminent mortal danger."
Expert Opinion:
The heart rate of the fetus portrayed in the film does not change significantly at any time. Nevertheless, a fetal heart rate of 200 is within the normal range (normal 180-200 beats per minute) for this stage of pregnancy. It is also unlikely that the fetus had a heart rate of 140 that rose to 200. A rate of 140 is generally noted in the latter half of pregnancy.
Claim:
The large, well-developed fetal model intermittently picked up and displayed during the narrative of the abortion procedure is representative of a 12-week fetus.
Expert Opinion:
The fetal model displayed during the abortion procedure is much larger than a fetus of a 12 weeks' gestation model visualized by ultrasonography. The model compared in size to a fetus of 18 weeks' gestation (about 14cm or 5½" in crown-rump length [CRL]) as opposed to a fetus of 12 weeks gestation (about 6cm or 2½" in CRL). Such an inaccurate comparison is invalid.
Claim:
Many women who have an abortion suffer severe and lasting psychological damage.
Expert Opinion:
Serious emotional problems following abortion are uncommon. Most women report a sense of relief, although some may experience temporary depression. Serious psychological disturbances after abortion occur less frequently than after childbirth.
Claim:
There were 100,000 illegal abortions annually in the US in 1963.
Expert Opinion:
100,000 illegal abortions is considered by experts to be an underestimation. Although there are no accurate data on the number of illegal abortions prior to its legal performance, Dr. Christopher Tietze, a demographer who was known worldwide for the scientific quality of his work, estimated that in 1963, the numbers ranged between 200,000 and 1,200,000. It is generally believed that the figure was closer to the higher level, and has risen little since abortion was legalized (currently about 1,500,000). In 1963, only those botched abortions having serious complications requiring hospitalization could be counted. Without a legal requirement for reporting, there are no accurate estimations as to what percentage of the degrading, dangerous, illegal abortions was successful without such complications.
Claim:
The crime syndicate is heavily involved in the abortion industry today.
Expert Opinion:
There is nothing to prove or even suggest that the crime syndicate is currently involved in the provision of abortion services. However, it is a well-known fact that organized crime was heavily involved with illegal abortion. The high cost of illegal abortion made it lucrative for underworld elements. In the 1960s, illegal abortions cost from $750 to several thousand dollars. Considering inflation rates over the past 20 years, the cost of illegal abortions now would be more than triple that of the 1960s. Today [1985] the average cost for a first-trimester abortion is $200.
This propaganda class teacher ( http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/j/m/jmh32/spcom150.htm ) includes the video in his curriculum.
Quote:
Nov. 5: Propaganda and the Abortion Debate
Reading: Condit, Decoding Abortion Rhetoric, pp. 79-95 [ Electronic Reserve].
In-Class Video: Excerpts from "The Silent Scream"; Baily anti-abortion sports
Reading: Condit, Decoding Abortion Rhetoric, pp. 79-95 [ Electronic Reserve].
In-Class Video: Excerpts from "The Silent Scream"; Baily anti-abortion sports
Not that it is any kind of proof--I just thought it was interesting.
Also, this site ( http://eileen.250x.com/Main/7_R_Eile/SilentScream.html ) doesn't look exactly reputable, but there are some things that can't really be refuted on it.
Quote:
The `screaming open mouth' indicated was actually the space between the fetal head and its chest.
The `doubled heart rate' was actually the normal heart rate for an early gestation fetus? Those of you who have heard a fetal heart could confirm this.
If you have read a baby and child care book you know about the warnings to keep knives and dangerous objects away from their reach. A baby will grab a sharp knife without any fear. How did this non sentient creature respond to the suction in fear? Even if we accept for a moment the premise that a fetus of 12 weeks is somehow sentient, would you mind explaining how it could know that the object near it was a suction tube that presented a danger?
The earliest stage at which intermittent bursts of EEG waves can be recorded is 20 weeks gestation
Why does Nathanson point to a femur, yet call it an 'arm?'
A scream denotes a loud sound made by expelling air from the lungs. At the age suction curettage is performed, the embryo has no lungs, nor autonomic respiratory function. And you expect it to scream? Do you know how ridiculous that is?
The `doubled heart rate' was actually the normal heart rate for an early gestation fetus? Those of you who have heard a fetal heart could confirm this.
If you have read a baby and child care book you know about the warnings to keep knives and dangerous objects away from their reach. A baby will grab a sharp knife without any fear. How did this non sentient creature respond to the suction in fear? Even if we accept for a moment the premise that a fetus of 12 weeks is somehow sentient, would you mind explaining how it could know that the object near it was a suction tube that presented a danger?
The earliest stage at which intermittent bursts of EEG waves can be recorded is 20 weeks gestation
Why does Nathanson point to a femur, yet call it an 'arm?'
A scream denotes a loud sound made by expelling air from the lungs. At the age suction curettage is performed, the embryo has no lungs, nor autonomic respiratory function. And you expect it to scream? Do you know how ridiculous that is?
Now, if you want to send me some evidence that the video is accurate...perhaps that'd be a little fairer. We should both have to back up our claims, not just me. Why don't you try to find something that isn't on a pro-life site....? EDIT: That's what you wanted me to do, isn't it?
But this isn't about the Silent Scream sweatdrop
I just asked for proof on your part. And I do consider PP Biast, not all things are bias in that way though.
