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 Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:49 pm
I haven't seen this topic in here yet, but it has been weighing heavily upon my mind. I would like to see the opinions of others upon this issue. I have taken the pro-life stance on this.
Is abortion acceptable if the child to be born is going to be disabled?
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Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:02 pm
Hey, that' unfair!
"We don't want disabled people in our world so we'll fix that: Let's kill them!"
That's not nice. Hey, my brother is autistic, my uncle is mentally retarded. Does that deny them rights to be alive? No!
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:03 pm
Agreed! My own sister is autistic as well.
I have come to realize that people tend to abort more often if the child will be disabled.
It's as though those parents don't want a child because of how much work it will take to get them to learn the skills necessary to survive.
And I have noticed this:
Have you noticed that the disabled have so much more joy and zest for life? Why deny their right to live simply because the parents aren't willing to put time and effort into making their child feel whole?
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Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 7:32 pm
Eternus Noctuna Have you noticed that the disabled have so much more joy and zest for life?
Simply, it is as dehumanizing to say that disabled individuals are more wonderful than other people as it is to say they are less wonderful. You are still placing the disabled in the category of "them" rather than "us." In such a situation, only non-disabled people are judged on their merits. Disabled people are still judged based on their disability.
Are you really okay with that?
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Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:22 pm
Excuse me, but please read what I previously posted. I posted that I believe that it is unacceptable to abort a child simply because it will be disabled.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 9:51 am
Eternus Noctuna Excuse me, but please read what I previously posted. I posted that I believe that it is unacceptable to abort a child simply because it will be disabled. Eternus Noctuna Have you noticed that the disabled have so much more joy and zest for life?
To restate, you think it is wrong to have an abortion based on the fact that the fetus is disabled, and I think it is wrong to ascribe certain personality traits to all disabled people based on the fact that they are disabled.
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Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 6:45 pm
I'm sorry that it appeared as though I stated that, but that is not what I meant.
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Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:38 am
Ofcourse not... thats just like telling a person with cancer or some other disorder or disease that your gonna kill em and they cant do anything about it. And there gonna die a very painful death just for being disabled which is something they cant control!
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Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 4:52 pm
In my opinion, no. To me it's like saying that it isn't o.k. to have some problems. nobody would want or love them or that they wouldn't be able to do anything if they are a bit different.
Many of them live happy lives, I know some people with disabilities and they work, have friends, etc...You will be surprised how capable people can be.
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Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 3:55 pm
I don't think it's acceptable to abort for any reason. Whether the kid was an accident, a rape baby, or disabled, it's a child. A living, breathing, child like you and I. Therefore no, it's not ok.
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Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 8:01 pm
What kind of disabilities are we talking about here?
From my experience, this kind of debate comes up because of disabilities that mean the child will never be able to look after him/herself, i.e. can't talk, walk, feed themself, and so on. Not to mention the kind of disability that would mean this and/or a significantly shortened and/or a very painful life.
Debating this isn't a matter of "You want to kill disabled people!" because that's a moot point: they're not a fetus, there is no choice in them being here, they're here already. For parents to bring a child with very severe disabilities into the world, they have to know whether they can care for them. It's not usually a case of them 'not being bothered' but more 'we don't have the time/energy/money' because as you may know (depending on the severity of your relatives' autism) a disability can require round-the-clock care and that's just not always possible.
What is the quality of life for such an individual, all other things aside? Are they in pain? Do they have to go through some degree of humiliation every day, because they can do nothing for themself? On the one hand, you can't just brush these things aside, but on the other hand, you can't decide for someone else what they would and would not live with.
It's a very sensitive topic and I'm not sure of my feelings on it myself. I'm disabled and no, I haven't noticed that disabled people are any happier or have this zest for life you're talking about, no more than I've noticed it in other people.
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:03 pm
Scribblemouse What kind of disabilities are we talking about here? From my experience, this kind of debate comes up because of disabilities that mean the child will never be able to look after him/herself, i.e. can't talk, walk, feed themself, and so on. Not to mention the kind of disability that would mean this and/or a significantly shortened and/or a very painful life. Actually, this debate quite often comes up when a fetus is diagnosed, in utero, with a club foot or, more often, down syndrome. The kinds of disability you mentioned are the tough issues where most Pro-Lifers have to think about it for a while, because it is difficult to say that such a mercy killing is absolutely wrong. What do you say about aborting fetuses with down syndrome, or other livable disabilities where Pro-Choicers frequently support and even push for abortion? Quote: Debating this isn't a matter of "You want to kill disabled people!" because that's a moot point: they're not a fetus, there is no choice in them being here, they're here already. For parents to bring a child with very severe disabilities into the world, they have to know whether they can care for them. It's not usually a case of them 'not being bothered' but more 'we don't have the time/energy/money' because as you may know (depending on the severity of your relatives' autism) a disability can require round-the-clock care and that's just not always possible. Except that, if you can't take care of them, the state can. Not to mention that this is really tying into a Pro-Choice argument already; That being that financial difficulties are a viable reason to have an abortion. As many of us are Pro-Life, that argument does not hold much water. And yes, for Pro-Lifers, it does come down to you wanting to kill disabled people. They are fetuses, which means that, to us, they are people, even though they are just fetuses to you. Quote: What is the quality of life for such an individual, all other things aside? Are they in pain? Do they have to go through some degree of humiliation every day, because they can do nothing for themself? On the one hand, you can't just brush these things aside, but on the other hand, you can't decide for someone else what they would and would not live with. It's a very sensitive topic and I'm not sure of my feelings on it myself. I'm disabled and no, I haven't noticed that disabled people are any happier or have this zest for life you're talking about, no more than I've noticed it in other people. It depends on the disability. Mentally disabled people seem to be happy more often than other people. "Tard happy," people call it. My cousin's that way; He can't feed himself or dress himself, or do much of anything for himself. But he still seems pretty happy to me. Much happier than I am, generally speaking, and I'm a fully functioning, healthy young man.
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Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:22 pm
I.Am Scribblemouse What kind of disabilities are we talking about here? From my experience, this kind of debate comes up because of disabilities that mean the child will never be able to look after him/herself, i.e. can't talk, walk, feed themself, and so on. Not to mention the kind of disability that would mean this and/or a significantly shortened and/or a very painful life. Actually, this debate quite often comes up when a fetus is diagnosed, in utero, with a club foot or, more often, down syndrome. The kinds of disability you mentioned are the tough issues where most Pro-Lifers have to think about it for a while, because it is difficult to say that such a mercy killing is absolutely wrong. What do you say about aborting fetuses with down syndrome, or other livable disabilities where Pro-Choicers frequently support and even push for abortion? Quote: Debating this isn't a matter of "You want to kill disabled people!" because that's a moot point: they're not a fetus, there is no choice in them being here, they're here already. For parents to bring a child with very severe disabilities into the world, they have to know whether they can care for them. It's not usually a case of them 'not being bothered' but more 'we don't have the time/energy/money' because as you may know (depending on the severity of your relatives' autism) a disability can require round-the-clock care and that's just not always possible. Except that, if you can't take care of them, the state can. Not to mention that this is really tying into a Pro-Choice argument already; That being that financial difficulties are a viable reason to have an abortion. As many of us are Pro-Life, that argument does not hold much water. And yes, for Pro-Lifers, it does come down to you wanting to kill disabled people. They are fetuses, which means that, to us, they are people, even though they are just fetuses to you. Quote: What is the quality of life for such an individual, all other things aside? Are they in pain? Do they have to go through some degree of humiliation every day, because they can do nothing for themself? On the one hand, you can't just brush these things aside, but on the other hand, you can't decide for someone else what they would and would not live with. It's a very sensitive topic and I'm not sure of my feelings on it myself. I'm disabled and no, I haven't noticed that disabled people are any happier or have this zest for life you're talking about, no more than I've noticed it in other people. It depends on the disability. Mentally disabled people seem to be happy more often than other people. "Tard happy," people call it. My cousin's that way; He can't feed himself or dress himself, or do much of anything for himself. But he still seems pretty happy to me. Much happier than I am, generally speaking, and I'm a fully functioning, healthy young man. I believe that the reason that they seem happier is because some of their mentality is childlike. Young children seem happier because they don't always understand or know all the problems in the world and with life at times and some mentally disabled people are the same way (like having no worries). At least that is what it seems like, I could be wrong about that. And yes, I think this tread is aimed at disabilities that aren't deadly but something like down syndrome. They are still people.
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Posted: Sat Jan 08, 2011 11:39 am
No. It just encourages discrimination of the worst kind.
Oh, I wasn't raped! I have just enough money to care for it and I really really want a baby. I just don't liek this one. Put it back plz. rolleyes
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