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 Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 7:54 am
I have to say that after last night I am starting to change my mind about John Cena a little. I have never liked him but what he did was probably the most fitting and coolest thing anyone had done all night. I hate the belt he has still. but he earned a little respect from me last night.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:31 am
Now, If cena had won and didnt do what he did after the match then i would agree with you... but what you said is like saying the whole wwe stole eddie's night as each and everyone seemed to have something to say or payed respect to him some how
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 9:48 am
Every guy out there was wrestling for Eddie, it didnt matter who won or lost the matches.
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 10:08 am
If you notice, most of the people that won their matches were close personal friends of Eddie at one point or another in his career. John Cena is relatively new to the business, but in the very first interview segment, Cena said that Eddie was like a father-figure to him, teaching him the ropes. If anyone should be criticized, in my opinion, it should be Randy Orton. He gave absolutely no respect whatsoever to the proceedings or memory of Eddie...just the same old cocky son of a b***h he's become recently. Just about everyone came out wearing armbands or shirts. He comes out with his dad and poses. No class. Now, that may have been on purpose to give a definite bad-guy for Cena to whoop and then do what he did.
Not everyone may like Cena. He's not a persona that appeals to everyone, okay, no problem. But there wasn't even one second where he wasn't performing in honor of Eddie, and i think his gesture at the end shows everyone how he feels.
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Wolf-Eye Ronin Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:24 pm
Well if you noticed Randy didnt even pose when he entered not smiling or anything. Before he entered the ring he loked up and had his eyes watery. He then ripped hil shirt up and had the armband of Eddie Guerrero. And he was crying at the beginning so basically all the superstars that fought wanted to pay tribute to Eddie
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:30 pm
RandyKeithOrton Well if you noticed Randy didnt even pose when he entered not smiling or anything. What would you call climbing onto the ropes and throwing his arms out, the same way he does every single time he enters the ring? He doesn't usually smile anyway, so no big surprise there. I'm just annoyed anymore with his cockiness and lack of humility. He was one of the only ones that didn't wear an "I'm your Papi" shirt. Now i understand that doesn't mean much, but taken along with everything else, i lost alot of respect for him. I'm not arguing that everyone paid respect in their own way. I'm just saying that for one night, the little wanker could have shown some humility and tact instead of being his usual cocky self.
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Wolf-Eye Ronin Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue Nov 15, 2005 12:33 pm
Wolf-Eye Ronin RandyKeithOrton Well if you noticed Randy didnt even pose when he entered not smiling or anything. What would you call climbing onto the ropes and throwing his arms out, the same way he does every single time he enters the ring? He doesn't usually smile anyway, so no big surprise there. I'm just annoyed anymore with his cockiness and lack of humility. He was one of the only ones that didn't wear an "I'm your Papi" shirt. Now i understand that doesn't mean much, but taken along with everything else, i lost alot of respect for him. I mean the smirking he usually smirks when he gets in the ring and he was looking up before getting in the ring well if you lost respect thats too bad
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 2:57 am
Yeah. Just because he didn't wear an "I'm Your Papi" shirt doesn't mean a thing. Everybody has their own way to deal with tragedy. I don't think it is appropriate that, even after we all saw Randy teary eyed, that we base judgement because he didn't wear a shirt and still did his pose. At the beginning of the night, Kurt was still wearing one of his shirts, and Triple H was still wearing one of his. That doesn't mean a thing.
For all we know, Randy threw out his pose, because he found that just getting on with his job was the best way to go about things. He might have thought that working was a good way to releave his mind from the greif that they were all feeling.
You may be upset about Eddie's death, as we all are, but these are men that travelled with Eddie, and knew him on a personal level. To us he was a phenominal wrestler, who touched us through his talent and his charisma. To them he was a close, personal friend, who they spent most of the year with. Alot of these men spent more time with Eddie Guerrero than they did their own families.
And to say tht Randy deserves criticism because he didn't wear a shirt, and went out there and carrying on with his duty, even though we could see his, and each and every WWE Stars greif is ignorant. Each wrestler should be commended for doing what they did that night. Each WWE Employee should be commended for having the bravery to continue on with their job right after such a tragedy.
Whether they wore a shirt or not.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:07 am
Unholy Meatpuppet Yeah. Just because he didn't wear an "I'm Your Papi" shirt doesn't mean a thing. Everybody has their own way to deal with tragedy. I don't think it is appropriate that, even after we all saw Randy teary eyed, that we base judgement because he didn't wear a shirt and still did his pose. At the beginning of the night, Kurt was still wearing one of his shirts, and Triple H was still wearing one of his. That doesn't mean a thing. For all we know, Randy threw out his pose, because he found that just getting on with his job was the best way to go about things. He might have thought that working was a good way to releave his mind from the greif that they were all feeling. You may be upset about Eddie's death, as we all are, but these are men that travelled with Eddie, and knew him on a personal level. To us he was a phenominal wrestler, who touched us through his talent and his charisma. To them he was a close, personal friend, who they spent most of the year with. Alot of these men spent more time with Eddie Guerrero than they did their own families. And to say tht Randy deserves criticism because he didn't wear a shirt, and went out there and carrying on with his duty, even though we could see his, and each and every WWE Stars greif is ignorant. Each wrestler should be commended for doing what they did that night. Each WWE Employee should be commended for having the bravery to continue on with their job right after such a tragedy. Whether they wore a shirt or not.
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 9:45 am
personally, i'm not a big fan of Randy Orton, but i am starting to build a respect for Cena, because he and Guerrero had a great feud when Cena was on Smackdown, i mean come on it was Guerrero that sort of made Cena a star (remember the match with all the cars)...so when Guerrero died, i sort of built a respect for Cena because Cena and Guerrero had great in-ring chemistry despite what anyone else says...i never said they had the best in-ring chemistry, but they had a good one nary the less
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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2005 11:24 am
Unholy Meatpuppet Yeah. Just because he didn't wear an "I'm Your Papi" shirt doesn't mean a thing. Everybody has their own way to deal with tragedy. I don't think it is appropriate that, even after we all saw Randy teary eyed, that we base judgement because he didn't wear a shirt and still did his pose. At the beginning of the night, Kurt was still wearing one of his shirts, and Triple H was still wearing one of his. That doesn't mean a thing. For all we know, Randy threw out his pose, because he found that just getting on with his job was the best way to go about things. He might have thought that working was a good way to releave his mind from the greif that they were all feeling. You may be upset about Eddie's death, as we all are, but these are men that travelled with Eddie, and knew him on a personal level. To us he was a phenominal wrestler, who touched us through his talent and his charisma. To them he was a close, personal friend, who they spent most of the year with. Alot of these men spent more time with Eddie Guerrero than they did their own families. And to say tht Randy deserves criticism because he didn't wear a shirt, and went out there and carrying on with his duty, even though we could see his, and each and every WWE Stars greif is ignorant. Each wrestler should be commended for doing what they did that night. Each WWE Employee should be commended for having the bravery to continue on with their job right after such a tragedy. Whether they wore a shirt or not. I never pointed a finger and said "look at the bad man" just because he didn't wear a shirt. The point that i tried to make, and everyone obviously didn't get because they're in love with the guy, is that i thought he showed a lack of respect. Everything i said was IN MY OWN OPINION. Don't you dare judge me for expressing an opinion about the way someone acted. I really could care less whether he wore a "Papi" shirt, had tears, or bawled his eyes out. I used the shirt as an example. I said that, in my opinion, he was disrespectful in how he acted. Yes, i know that different people express themselves in their own way. Yes, i know that Orton's whole thing right now is cockiness. That doesn't excuse the man for not turning it down a notch. Carrying on with the show after what happened is a great way to commemorate his memory, and i'm amazed that everyone was able to do it. I'm not so sure i would have been able to. Calling someone ignorant because their opinion differs from yours is rude, disrespectful, and all-around just plain dumb. And what i actually said was that if ANYONE AT ALL should be criticized, it should be Orton instead of Cena. I had an opinion, expressed it, and let it go at that. If you feel differently, or anyone else, fine. That's great; you're allowed. There is no right or wrong with opinions, whether you like it or not.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 2:13 am
But you are judging him how you think people should act. How you think people should act.
For someone that acts so enlightened, you sure seem to be very close minded.
Also, you seem to be the one with a communication problem. I never said that you were ignorant. I said that saying Randy was disrespectful for continuing on with his job was ignorant. And I stand by my statement whole heartedly.
Ypu cpuld care less whether he wore a "Papi" shirt? Coming from the same person that said, and I quote, "He was one of the only ones that didn't wear an "I'm your Papi" shirt. Now i understand that doesn't mean much, but taken along with everything else, i lost alot of respect for him."
Seems like you care about it a little, huh?
I could care less if you have an opposing opinion. In fact, I encourage opposing opinions. It's interesting. But if you are going to have an opinon and a point of view, make sure you stick to that point of view. If you beleive in something, make sure you believe in it, and not say it just for the sake of trying to make a point.
I also, persoanlly, find it very sad that, on such an emotional night you actually looked for something that was worth criticizing. I thought everything that night was as perfect as it could have been, and somebody tryin to point out a negative point in the show that celebrated the life of a phenominal athlete is actually a little sad...
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Wolf-Eye Ronin Vice Captain
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:19 am
Unholy Meatpuppet But you are judging him how you think people should act. How you think people should act. For someone that acts so enlightened, you sure seem to be very close minded. Also, you seem to be the one with a communication problem. I never said that you were ignorant. I said that saying Randy was disrespectful for continuing on with his job was ignorant. And I stand by my statement whole heartedly. Ypu cpuld care less whether he wore a "Papi" shirt? Coming from the same person that said, and I quote, "He was one of the only ones that didn't wear an "I'm your Papi" shirt. Now i understand that doesn't mean much, but taken along with everything else, i lost alot of respect for him." Seems like you care about it a little, huh? I could care less if you have an opposing opinion. In fact, I encourage opposing opinions. It's interesting. But if you are going to have an opinon and a point of view, make sure you stick to that point of view. If you beleive in something, make sure you believe in it, and not say it just for the sake of trying to make a point. I also, persoanlly, find it very sad that, on such an emotional night you actually looked for something that was worth criticizing. I thought everything that night was as perfect as it could have been, and somebody tryin to point out a negative point in the show that celebrated the life of a phenominal athlete is actually a little sad... This whole discussion started because of exactly what you're trying to jump on me for. Someone else said that Cena was "stealing Eddie's night". I was trying to make a point, but evidently no one gets it. So i give up. I guess i can't expect people to try and put thought into understanding what they're reading. They're convinced that they're right, and nuts to anyone else for thinking differently. I personally don't give a rat's a** what you think of me. And if you're going to try quoting me to prove me wrong, then understand why i said something instead of assuming you do. I've said, several times, that it is MY OPINION about Orton. If you don't like it, fine, your problem. I wasn't looking for something to criticize, i was countering someone else that did exactly that. Someone else started this line of thought, but you haven't said one word to him. So don't preach to me about being enlightened or me making you sad. I didn't start this. I tried to push it off by proving a point, but i guess Orton is too much of a god for anyone to find fault with him.
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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2005 10:25 am
Back to the actual topic of this thread....
I've always thought Cena got handed the short end of the leash. Granted, he's not exactly true to character, since this "raised in the streets, thug-style" guy actually makes more money than any two of us put together, and has a family that's more loaded than my entire city block.
Don't take this as a knock on anyone, but is he disliked because of the whole rapper thing? It's not really a music style that fits with the demographic of watchers. I don't have much problem with rap, it's just not my preferred style of listening enjoyment. Hopefully making that jesture will show people that's he's not all about himself, and actually has some class.
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