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 Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 3:07 pm
Act of Random Kindness -xXLady RaiXx- Act of Random Kindness Luz Melian Act of Random Kindness - Well I can not remember the whole bible eh? And I wasn't aware of a specific NT verse about this issue. However now I just found the verse in my bible and from my translation [it's Czech] it's not so clear. It says something like: "May marriage be honored by all and be faithful in marriage, for the infidel will be judged by God." Exark - Just because it's before marriage it doesn't mean it's of just lust and not love. Some people go from one person to another and don't stay long with anyone, yet they have sex even if the relationship isn't very deep. And that's sinful and bad for the emotional side of the people involved, I believe. But if it is an adult comitted couple who is determined to stay a couple or even planning to get married soon, why would it be so much different if they have sex before getting married? Why would it be sinful lust and relationship killer before marriage but after it not any more? Their love is still there, it won't suddenly change or increase 200% after the ceremony. I wasn't angry at just you for not posting a scripture. I was kinda peeved at everyone here in general. Someone asked for a scripture a while ago and no one took the time to go look it up. I mean, we have the internet, how long could it possibly take? Also, as a simple analogy to you argument, why not get drunk 2 weeks before your 21st birthday? I mean, you have a designated driver so you're not gonna casue an accident, what harm could it cause? You're practically there anyways. There's a difference between sex and alcohol you know. Alcohol is a poison that kills every single major organ in your body minus your ears. Unwanted pregnancies can cause different types of problems for all involved, but this is starting to get off topic, so I'll stop this here. 4 and said to Jesus, "Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5 In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6 They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. 7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." 8 Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground. 9 At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. 10 Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?" 11 "No one, sir," she said. "Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave your life of sin." John 8:4-11 So, judging from that last verse, I'm guessing Jesus thought adultery was a sinful act, unless it's out of context again. Not sure the context fits, as Adultery is defined as willful sexual intercourse between a married person and someone other than his(or her) lawful spouse. So, yeah, I know Adultery is bad, but I'm wondering about two people who have made the decision to marry in the future, but haven't yet.
As for the verse from Hebrews, NIV also states Adulterers and the Sexually Immoral.
And thanks, I've heard much love for that quote, though it's still Noct 9 that said it.
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 4:22 pm
Act of Random Kindness Luz Melian Act of Random Kindness - Well I can not remember the whole bible eh? And I wasn't aware of a specific NT verse about this issue. However now I just found the verse in my bible and from my translation [it's Czech] it's not so clear. It says something like: "May marriage be honored by all and be faithful in marriage, for the infidel will be judged by God." Exark - Just because it's before marriage it doesn't mean it's of just lust and not love. Some people go from one person to another and don't stay long with anyone, yet they have sex even if the relationship isn't very deep. And that's sinful and bad for the emotional side of the people involved, I believe. But if it is an adult comitted couple who is determined to stay a couple or even planning to get married soon, why would it be so much different if they have sex before getting married? Why would it be sinful lust and relationship killer before marriage but after it not any more? Their love is still there, it won't suddenly change or increase 200% after the ceremony. I wasn't angry at just you for not posting a scripture. I was kinda peeved at everyone here in general. Someone asked for a scripture a while ago and no one took the time to go look it up. I mean, we have the internet, how long could it possibly take? Also, as a simple analogy to you argument, why not get drunk 2 weeks before your 21st birthday? I mean, you have a designated driver so you're not gonna cause an accident, what harm could it cause? You're practically there anyways. ok. thank you, you just made the point that marriage is just a semantic differance. There is nothing inherently wrong with drinking that close to the 21st B-day (here it's 19th but i'll try to stick inside the analogy). your body is already about as developped as it is going to get (the reason the drinking age is so high in USA) and it's just a matter of time anyway. this would be akin to people who are engaged and within sight or thier wedding day with no forseeable problem in tying the knot. this is just jumping the gun on the honey moon wich is a double edged sword. on the one hand it ruins the surprize you've been waiting your whole life for. on the other it eliminates the awkward and never realy pleasant activity that is the simultanious loss of two virginities. I think the question posed might reffer (in keeping with the analogy) more to drinking in the early to mid teens. (sex when marriage is a tenative option like "will you marry me after colledge?") wich is detrimental to health and development. and runs a higher rist of getting caught. (can we substitue "caught" and "pregnant" with the analogy intact?).
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Lazarus The Resurected Crew
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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 12:25 pm
These are a few verses from Young's Literal (from BibleGateway.com): (If anyone wonders why I use this version, I use it because it is an extremely literal translation that attempts to preserve the tense and word usage as found in the original Greek and Hebrew writings.) 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 9have ye not known that the unrighteous the reign of God shall not inherit? be not led astray; neither whoremongers, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor sodomites, 10nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, the reign of God shall inherit. 1 Corinthians 6:18-20 18flee the whoredom; every sin -- whatever a man may commit -- is without the body, and he who is committing whoredom, against his own body doth sin. 19Have ye not known that your body is a sanctuary of the Holy Spirit in you, which ye have from God? and ye are not your own, 20for ye were bought with a price; glorify, then, God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's. 1 Corinthians 7:8-9 (Paul says that any couple having premarital sex should get married to prevent any further sins relating to sex.) 8And I say to the unmarried and to the widows: it is good for them if they may remain even as I [am]; 9and if they have not continence -- let them marry, for it is better to marry than to burn; 1 Corinthians 7:1-2 1And concerning the things of which ye wrote to me: good [it is] for a man not to touch a woman, 2and because of the whoredom let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her proper husband; 1 Corinthians 10:8 8neither may we commit whoredom, as certain of them did commit whoredom, and there fell in one day twenty-three thousand; 2 Corinthians 11:2 2for I am zealous for you with zeal of God, for I did betroth you to one husband, a pure virgin, to present to Christ, Ephesians 5:3 3and whoredom, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not even be named among you, as becometh saints; Hebrews 13:4 4honourable [is] the marriage in all, and the bed undefiled, and whoremongers and adulterers God shall judge. From these verses, I find it clear that the Bible's stance on premarital sex is simply, it is a sin. It falls under the category of sexual immorality and it is believed that God says himself to keep the marriage bed pure. Now I'm just waiting for someone to trot along and point out the New Age crap that the Old Testament doesn't apply.
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