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Is stell cell research ok?
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Rusu

PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 12:57 am


I think it's a great idea. Better than animal testing.
PostPosted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:41 pm


Rusu
I think it's a great idea. Better than animal testing.
how so?

ZonkotheSane


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 3:30 am


Shaviv
ZonkotheSane
this is a big problem. some poeple can't accept that others may be indeed much smarter and wiser than they could ever hope to be. do you think that you could ever match wits with the vilna gaon?

I don't know about smarter and wiser. Nor am I sure about the relevance. The smartest person in the world may yet hold false beliefs. The wisest person in the world may yet deliver incorrect judgements. But this isn't about perfection.


Well if you look at wise and smart in the sense of the secular world, of course, the person might deliver incorrect judgements. But we're looking at the Torah's point of view, and that changes things (that happens quite often wink ).

You say a wise person can have incorrect judgement... well, that is why the torah calls the rightous man a "wise person". By our understanding, a person can be wise, but evil. But this isn't so according to the torah. The real wise person is the man who sees the true path and wants to know more, to become close to g-d, and to understand him.

Notice how during the passover seder we said there is a wise son, and in contrast, the evil son. Doesn't it seem strange? What kind of contrast is that? Evil is not the opposite of wise, and neither is foolishness the opposite of good. It does seem out of place, but it isn't really. The torah calls the evil person foolish, because he is taking the path that will lead to nothing, on the other hand, the torah calls the rightous person a wise person, because he is taking the path that is good and streight in g-d's eyes. A person that wants life and reward chooses g-ds path. Can you find anyone that is mentally sane that would actually choose punishment and death? Therefore, those people that do chose the wrong path are considered foolish. When you look at it from the side, they really are.

The vilna ga'on was both wise and rightous. He was wise in the sense that we say he was intelligent, but not only that - he was rightous in his intelligence. One who is rightous in his intelligence is wise. One who is called wise, the Torah says he is rewarded with more wisdom. Doesn't that seem like a strange reward? Yes, it is, but when you think about what wise really means, it makes sense. The wise person wants to learn more, to become closer to the true understanding. The torah promises these people insight and wisdom. The vilna ga'on was a perfect example for such a person.
PostPosted: Fri Apr 21, 2006 4:11 am


Not sure if this is going to be off subject or not but personally I think genetic engineering is wrong. Even to save lives. I'm not saying this to be inhumane. I just believe that G-d intended things to be the way they are..people die, people die young, they die old, they die at birth, it's how the world works. Why would got put us here if we're going to do every possible way to stay alive?

Alright, it could be a little inhumane to say we shouldn't make clones and take their organs for people's lives. But if it's what G-d wants, let it be. >.< Argh cloning, that's a whole new topic in itself.

On another note..genetic engineering your baby, that's messed up. Again G-d intended us all to be a certain way, not what our parents think is a perfect child.

There have been studies that say in the near future parents can change the eye color of their baby before it's comes from the womb. Pretty sure they take out a cell and inject it..with the trait they want, well will inject it.

Eh I recently studied this in school..so I know about it more scientifically but didn't want to get too much into detail.

Alright even if this is a little off topic, someone please reply with your view, and be nice (:

KishoTenshi

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