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 Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2010 8:59 pm
just saying, but marriage isn't a "religious" thing, its a legal thing. So yeah, the churches need to stfu because I say let the people do whatever tickles their peaches, or spanks their monkeys. I mean really, what could go wrong with gay rights?
so I'm a supporter of gay/lesbian/bisexual rights.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 4:45 am
@Song:
"To join the beloved in holy matrimony".... something along the lines of that.... "--holy matrimony--". Just saying.
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:20 am
@ cave- that's from a Christian ceremony, and not even all Christians do it.
Is that to say that the rest of us have unholy matrimony? Do you propose then that only Christians be allowed to legally get married ? .
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:27 am
cave_dweller_candy Nespin Fernagon On the topic of homsexuality being natural or not... Quote: Black swans An estimated one-quarter of all black swans pairings are homosexual. Gulls Studies have shown that 10 to 15 percent of female western gulls in some populations in the wild exhibit homosexual behavior. etc.
Koalas are bisexual. Yep.
I'm not kidding. Look it up, guys! XD
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:35 am
kittycross @ cave- that's from a Christian ceremony, and not even all Christians do it. Is that to say that the rest of us have unholy matrimony? Do you propose then that only Christians be allowed to legally get married ? . I know I'm just using that as an example to say that there is a religious aspect to marriage most of the time. I wasn't trying to imply you have to be religious/follow a certain religion/etc to get married~
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Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:45 am
I fancy myself a religious person, so I have reservations about homosexual marriages.
Now don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with homosexual couples and am all for them getting the same legal rights as heterosexuals.
However, I'm not sure about just how comfortable I am with the thought of a homosexual couple doing a full Christian or any other such religious ceremony to bind their contract. If their religion or sect allows them, then go ahead, I suppose, but not a lot of the religious sects and such I know would allow it. It's also a touchy subject and I don't want to go near it.
So yeah, it's the religious ceremony that I am kinda reserved about and it's only really a feeling and not based on much logic, but I have nothing against a legal union. I feel the same about atheists marrying in Churches, etc.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 1:14 pm
cave_dweller_candy kittycross @ cave- that's from a Christian ceremony, and not even all Christians do it. Is that to say that the rest of us have unholy matrimony? Do you propose then that only Christians be allowed to legally get married ? . I know I'm just using that as an example to say that there is a religious aspect to marriage most of the time. I wasn't trying to imply you have to be religious/follow a certain religion/etc to get married~ Yeah I figured, but I think it's an interesting extrapolation on the excuse people use to discriminate against non-Christians. If non-hets are discriminated against on the basis of biases biblical implication and for some gods-forsaken reason we become a Christian nation, the question does arise of how far is this going to go. Also, which brand of Christianity and revisionist Bible are we going to go with? I think you made an interesting point and my mind was going of in a tangent. Maybe it's because of Valentines day approaching. Valentine was martyred for performing illegal Christin marriages in old Rome. The socially abhorrent and blasphemous (the views of the time) Christians were not allowed to get married and had illegal secret ceremonies. Valentine was caught and executed for his crime of letting people get married. I find it very ironic. Now that Christians have gained social acceptance, wealth and political power, what is it used for? I have to wonder how much of society is just striking back at 'the Man' or the woman in the case of sexism and the discovery of the importance of sperm collapsing many matriarchal social structures. So now that Christians are allowed to have marriage they want to tell other people they can't. If we were to place bet on the dominant Christian political power seizing control the US 'Moral Majority" is primarily Southern Baptists and Protestant,but globally Catholicism is the dominant Christan faith, at least politically. -also I kind of hopped over to this discussion form a LGBT group where I had been read a similar topic- sorry for not explaining my brief comment @Tasn Zheng I agree about Atheists getting married in churches by holy rite. It's weird and fake for the sake of pretty pictures but at least they end up paying through the nose to hold their ceremony their and the nice churches put that money back into the community with charitable acts and donations, so it's kind of whoring for a good cause. Churches always have the right to say no to atheists, non-hets or people trying to marry inanimate objects
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 2:01 pm
kittycross @Tasn Zheng I agree about Atheists getting married in churches by holy rite. It's weird and fake for the sake of pretty pictures but at least they end up paying through the nose to hold their ceremony their and the nice churches put that money back into the community with charitable acts and donations, so it's kind of whoring for a good cause. Churches always have the right to say no to atheists, non-hets or people trying to marry inanimate objects Or one of the married couple is religious. Or a parent wanted it. My mom hates that I'm Atheist so I don't doubt her trying to coerce me into a church wedding. And churches have the right to refuse anyone. "You're a Protestant marrying a Catholic? Sorry this is a Catholic church, you'll have to convert before I agree to perform the ceremony." Messed up, but it happens.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 6:52 pm
Shiori Miko kittycross @Tasn Zheng I agree about Atheists getting married in churches by holy rite. It's weird and fake for the sake of pretty pictures but at least they end up paying through the nose to hold their ceremony their and the nice churches put that money back into the community with charitable acts and donations, so it's kind of whoring for a good cause. Churches always have the right to say no to atheists, non-hets or people trying to marry inanimate objects Or one of the married couple is religious. Or a parent wanted it. My mom hates that I'm Atheist so I don't doubt her trying to coerce me into a church wedding. And churches have the right to refuse anyone. "You're a Protestant marrying a Catholic? Sorry this is a Catholic church, you'll have to convert before I agree to perform the ceremony." Messed up, but it happens. And we can't forget interracial marriage. Date of the article: 2000 You (not you, Shiori, I mean, the general 'you.' There's no other reason I'm quoting you besides the tie-in to the priests. xD) and I can be of the same religion but have two totally different experiences. It's not just about what country you're in or what sect you belong to - the beliefs and values taught in churches vary from state to state, town to town, and church to church. It wasn't until the 1960s that interracial marriage was legalized in the US. There were and still are many religious figures that don't believe in a "mixing of the races." That God meant for the races to be geographically separated. Quote: Now I want to go into some of that with you. Let’s get a little bit about the Way of God. Turn to Deuteronomy. Deuteronomy 32:8 “When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam,…”Oh today they say that the cause of our troubles and racial troubles is segregation. So the Supreme Court of the United States, in human wisdom, without any wisdom from God, says we’re going to have INTEGRATION. Man wants to go—you see, man chooses him the way that seems right in his own eyes. He takes to himself the knowledge of what is good evil. That’s what our Supreme Court did. But… Deuteronomy 32:8 When the most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, [notice, segregation not integration] he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.Different people, different families or different races, had their own land, their own plot of the earth. God’s way is GEOGRAPHICAL SEGREGATION. AND INTEGRATION IS NOT THE WAY OF THE ETERNAL GOD! IT’S THE WAY OF DECEIVING MAN. IT’S THE WAY OF SATAN. And look what it's doing in this country. Look what was going on in the 1960’s in this nation and the violence that came here and there and all over the nation. I’ll be going over this in other sermons that are coming on, like I did fifteen or twenty years ago. It’s time to get back to a lot of that again. Because man always thinks he knows better than God. Its all what man thinks is the right way to go. This little charmer came from a sermon just two years ago. People twist and turn passages in the bible, make generalizations, and take the language out of context to suit their beliefs. The person giving the sermon actually acknowledges that the bible doesn't speak much about race, but that didn't stop him. A person can make a very strong argument that the bible says nothing about homosexuality. Nevermind that there's no word for heterosexual/homosexual in Hebrew and Greek, but points made are exaggerated and distorted and become unrecognizable. I encourage people to read articles like this one. We see enough "GOD CREATED ADAM AND EVE, NOT ADAM AND STEVE!" materials . . . and not enough information from the other perspective.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:14 am
I think the whole thing could be solved rather simply if people who didn't want a gay marriage just didn't get one.
Blended fibers are against the word of the biblical god and so is the consumption shellfish but I don't see a huge religious movement to take down Red Lobster, Sizzler Chili's and nearly the entire textile industry.
Nobody is shoving crab legs and shrimp down people throats and no one is going to force gay marriages.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:19 am
I'm a huge supporter for Gay marriage, and did you know that they're going against one of the constitution by allowing religion to interfere with governmental affairs...?
-cough cough, the government can make ALOT of money out of this.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:21 am
kittycross cave_dweller_candy Nespin Fernagon On the topic of homsexuality being natural or not... Quote: Black swans An estimated one-quarter of all black swans pairings are homosexual. Gulls Studies have shown that 10 to 15 percent of female western gulls in some populations in the wild exhibit homosexual behavior. etc.
Koalas are bisexual. Yep.
I'm not kidding. Look it up, guys! XD
| ⇐▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ I believe most animals that have been studies have the full spectrum of sexualities, excepting of course that species of lizard that is entirely female; all ladies, all the time . Bonobos are the primate closest to humans in both genetics and social development and habituation and they're bisexual Koalas are so much cuter than bonobos though. A baby koala is about the size of a jellybean. lolwut, and I have a colony of those lizards living at my house!
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:26 am
AstralStorm kittycross cave_dweller_candy Nespin Fernagon On the topic of homsexuality being natural or not... Quote: Black swans An estimated one-quarter of all black swans pairings are homosexual. Gulls Studies have shown that 10 to 15 percent of female western gulls in some populations in the wild exhibit homosexual behavior. etc.
Koalas are bisexual. Yep.
I'm not kidding. Look it up, guys! XD
| ⇐▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ I believe most animals that have been studies have the full spectrum of sexualities, excepting of course that species of lizard that is entirely female; all ladies, all the time . Bonobos are the primate closest to humans in both genetics and social development and habituation and they're bisexual Koalas are so much cuter than bonobos though. A baby koala is about the size of a jellybean. lolwut, and I have a colony of those lizards living at my house! Me too- lizards, but not the lesbian ones. I have to save them from the cats. They'll hunt the geckos if I don't stop them. They're welcome to kill anything else, just not the house geckos.
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Posted: Tue Jan 25, 2011 5:28 am
kittycross AstralStorm kittycross cave_dweller_candy Nespin Fernagon On the topic of homsexuality being natural or not... Quote: Black swans An estimated one-quarter of all black swans pairings are homosexual. Gulls Studies have shown that 10 to 15 percent of female western gulls in some populations in the wild exhibit homosexual behavior. etc.
Koalas are bisexual. Yep.
I'm not kidding. Look it up, guys! XD
| ⇐▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀ I believe most animals that have been studies have the full spectrum of sexualities, excepting of course that species of lizard that is entirely female; all ladies, all the time . Bonobos are the primate closest to humans in both genetics and social development and habituation and they're bisexual Koalas are so much cuter than bonobos though. A baby koala is about the size of a jellybean. lolwut, and I have a colony of those lizards living at my house! Me too- lizards, but not the lesbian ones. I have to save them from the cats. They'll hunt the geckos if I don't stop them. They're welcome to kill anything else, just not the house geckos. lol, i don't have to save them from animals, but I did name them biggrin
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Posted: Sat Sep 15, 2012 8:48 pm
Divine_Malevolence Gay people have the same right to misery as straight people. Agreed! biggrin
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