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 Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:12 am
Ava R. Mcphee When a group of people are faced with a compromise, they complain about how "Well, I don't want my DNA propogated. It's mine. My property."
Umm...what? That's an argument for the murder of any child, born or not. A person's DNA isn't their own; it's their parents' DNA. Once that egg gets fertilized, it's has only half the woman's DNA. What if the father doesn't want that baby aborted? Is she going to abort only half the baby? It's his DNA, right? His property? Doesn't he get a say in what happens to it?
That argument makes no sense on any level and the implications of espousing such an argument are completely horrifying.
Mcphee, what was your stance on abortion before this? I'm new and haven't seen you around, so I'm curious.
(And after I met Miranda, I became pro-life. XDDD)
But until, like, yesterday... I was Pro-choice, though I never claimed that the fetus wasn't human, and wasn't a child. I knew that it was.
I just... there's a difference to me between abortion, and being able to kill the child whether it's in your body or not.
But, as I said, if it sets THIS kind of a precedent, legally, I refuse to support it anymore.
I'm such a flip-flopper, I swear. xd
Well, I wouldn't quite say that.
I guess I just... keep finding things in this issue that bring different ideas to light.
It's not black and white for me, but a needless death isn't something that I'm going to let people have the chance to gain a 'right' to perform.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:14 am
kp606 Mcphee, have I told you lately that I love you? blaugh
I don't have the resolve to be Pro-choice all the way, I suppose.
And I'm glad.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:31 am
There is a diffrence between needing an abortion and wanting an abortion. A woman only needs an abortion if the pregnancy is life threatning.
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:10 am
Mcphee Ava R. Mcphee When a group of people are faced with a compromise, they complain about how "Well, I don't want my DNA propogated. It's mine. My property."
Umm...what? That's an argument for the murder of any child, born or not. A person's DNA isn't their own; it's their parents' DNA. Once that egg gets fertilized, it's has only half the woman's DNA. What if the father doesn't want that baby aborted? Is she going to abort only half the baby? It's his DNA, right? His property? Doesn't he get a say in what happens to it?
That argument makes no sense on any level and the implications of espousing such an argument are completely horrifying.
Mcphee, what was your stance on abortion before this? I'm new and haven't seen you around, so I'm curious.
(And after I met Miranda, I became pro-life. XDDD)
But until, like, yesterday... I was Pro-choice, though I never claimed that the fetus wasn't human, and wasn't a child. I knew that it was.
I just... there's a difference to me between abortion, and being able to kill the child whether it's in your body or not.
But, as I said, if it sets THIS kind of a precedent, legally, I refuse to support it anymore.
I'm such a flip-flopper, I swear. xd
Well, I wouldn't quite say that.
I guess I just... keep finding things in this issue that bring different ideas to light.
It's not black and white for me, but a needless death isn't something that I'm going to let people have the chance to gain a 'right' to perform.
Ah. Okay. Thank you. smile
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 9:20 am
Pyrotechnic Oracle There is a diffrence between needing an abortion and wanting an abortion. A woman only needs an abortion if the pregnancy is life threatning.
It's sad how often people are confused or careless about what is a "need" or what is a "want," myself included. We've become a selfish society when something that really is not always necessary- nor even a right- has become a need. Even worse that there are people who lack true needs.
/preachiness
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 3:41 pm
Pyrotechnic Oracle You know, I thin that Pro-lifers are far more pro-choice then the choicers. CHoicers cling to the notion and idea that if there is somthign wrong in the childs life then it shouldn't have to suffer, and aborting it is helping it. Umm...my life is utter hell from 7am to 11pm. I hate the entire human race, and I despise school. Becuase of this, by their beilife, I should have been aborted, but, even though the child may have a rough life, who is to say he/she won't love life all the same?
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Posted: Sun Nov 13, 2005 8:37 pm
I know PP is. They don't care about the mother at all. Thats an illusion.
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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2005 12:00 pm
Mcphee So, I was speaking with a user in the Abortion Debate Guild, and she's one out of many Pro-choice people that think that the "artificial womb" situation isnt a solution for the abortion issue, and that women should still have the right to abort, even if it has a) nothing to do with bodily integrity, and b) Nothing to do with health/ safety issues. Well, I find this pretty sad, myself. When a group of people are faced with a compromise, they complain about how "Well, I don't want my DNA propogated. It's mine. My property." If you'd demand the right to kill your fetus even if you don't have to take care of it, if you would insist on never propagating your DNA no matter what, methinks you hate yourself. Now then, if they hate themselves that much, I *will* march, protest and fight for these people's right to kill *themselves*.... biggrin ...Okay, actually, I wouldn't, I'd put them in a mental institution...I'm too compassionate for my own good... gonk
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Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2005 11:54 pm
Y'know, I've never understood the whole "it's just a fetus" or "it's not a living thing" or "it's just some extra tissue in my body" or "it's my property" thing. What an illogical argument.
...Sorry, a Rant... sweatdrop
I mean, just biologically speaking, a fetus is included in the definition of life. Yes, the definition of life can be found in any respectable biology book at least of a freshmen college level. Look it up if you're curious.
Also, genetically speaking, the fetus is a seperate entity, a unique combination of genes similiar/originating from but still different from both mother and the father. Not just the mother's tissue, and not at all like a tumor or cancerous cells, which are just slightly mutated (with dangerous consequences, of course) versions of the mother's healthy cells, resulting in abnormal cell growth.
Sure, I can understand how one could say a fetus is parasital since it is living inside the mother and off the mother's body, but that doesn't change the fact that it is alive, and then you and I are parasites, too. How the hell do you think everyone got here, anyway?
We all came from someone else...we are all a part of everone else, and, very distantly, we are probably related, too. In a sense, everyone belongs to everyone else. Also, who wants thier parents to decide who they're going to be or what thier going to do with thier lives? Just because my parents conceived me and combined thier DNA, doesn't mean they can run my life...guide me in some good directions, maybe...but...y'see?
The point is that science says that a developing fetus is one individual organism, and the mother is another, separate individual organism. Two separate beings sharing the same nutrition and enviroment for a while.
Now, viability is a different matter all-together. A living thing can be alive yet not be able to live completely on its own. Is the coma patient lying in bed, a virtual cucumber, able to live without thier feeding tube and respirator? Would you pull the plug on them? What about the person with a bad liver, who has to get thier blood processed and detoxified by a machine on a regular basis or die...would you deny them the right to use that machine? They certaintly can't live long without it.
I guess...I don't know... It's just that such an argument over "what a fetus is" in order to justify abortion just seems...quite illogical. Anyone who chooses to abort must realize that they are ending the life of a separate individual organism, thier genetic offspring, and a potential new child. Those are just the cold, hard facts.
Now, some people may be okay with killing in certain circumstances, like in cases of the death penalty or euthanasia as well, but that is a different matter and a different argument.
As for me, personally... I'm the result of a teen pregnancy. My life may be pretty crappy sometimes: I have a lot of issues, and I'm often depressed. But I least I have been given the chance to live: to ride a roller coaster, to taste ice cream, to fall in love. At least I got the chance to be happy. I thank my parents for choosing to be responsible and live up to the consequences of their actions.
...Phew! Okay, I'm done. sweatdrop neutral
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