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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 12:13 am
Mr Crawley Princess Z-M Also, it's pretty stereotypical the whole way through, has that whole white badass savior BS archetype. That's pretty unfair to pull race into the equation. Like I said, you were probably seeking something from the movie you weren't meant to get. Nope. I'm calling as it is; although yeah I do have beef with Mr. QT and his bullshit movies than any fifth grader could make. No, it's an archetype rather intentional or not many Hollywood studios and director play on. The minorities never can get s**t corrected right without a white savior saying the day. What takes an Asian years to perfect a petite White chick can learn in a couple of ta-boe classes and sheer grit. It's just classic QT either way. All he does is play on stereotypes and get called such a genius when he's no better than those parody makers on youtube but at least they actually GIVE credit to the original creator. Loud angry Black women as seen in Jackie Brown and even louder black men (most of Jackson's roles in his film), and "weeaboo" effect in which all Asians are bad a** ninjas, samurai, or just epic people but at the end of the day some skinny a** white chick can kick their asses. BS film is BS.
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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:32 am
Jackie Brown was supposed to be the way it was because it was playing off the old blaxploitation films.
And S.L. Jackson yells in all his films. ALL of them.
And ... the "petitie white chick" if you had been paying attention... was already proficient in a few forms of combat before she trained with Pai Mei.
In fact if I'm not mistaken.. there were two unarmed styles she already knew.. and she knew how to use a katana. To which Pai Mei scoffed and insulted the Japanese.
And what QT does is make references to older films that he really enjoyed. Things that can be recognized. Aka paying homage.
But let's go back to this "what it takes an asian years to perfect"...
If you watched any combat sports at all you'd know that while training time plays big a factor... there's far more than that to fighting. As those who have trained since very young lose to opponents who have not put in even half the time they have to the fight game.
In fact.. Asians were thought to be among the most talented in MMA... until they came to America.
But that's going even further off topic.
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I dunno but you just seem like one of those people who inject race into everything. If the lead character had been black, it seems as though you'd think it different. Even though the "absurdities" would still be the same.
You could play with the ethnicity of all the characters in the film and it would still be just as absurd for just about all the reasons you named. There's just no way around it.
In fact you could make them all ONE ethnicity and the movie would still be absurd.
Salt was an absurd movie.. because it featured just about two hours of a white woman with no visible muscle tone beating up and outsmarting men of her own kind every other frame. (And I love that movie)
And Kill Bill was nothing like that movie.
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Now if you had pointed to something like "The Last Samurai" and said what you are saying. I might understand. But the theme of that movie and Kill Bill are radically different.
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Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2010 2:57 am
Well I think we will have to agree to disagree then. As I would put Salt, Last Samurai and all those movies in the same box and no even if the actor was Black I would still feel the same way. I don't like how Hollywood gets away with raping people's culture and being so ******** dense as hell with minority groups. Sorry that so many people fall into either.
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 9:22 pm
You should focus on enjoying and encouraging more than criticizing and scrutinizing.
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Posted: Fri Dec 17, 2010 11:43 pm
Princess Z-M Well I think we will have to agree to disagree then. As I would put Salt, Last Samurai and all those movies in the same box and no even if the actor was Black I would still feel the same way. I don't like how Hollywood gets away with raping people's culture and being so ******** dense as hell with minority groups. Sorry that so many people fall into either. Sorry to interject, but I was just reading the convo undertaking here and I am just a wee bit confused. Hollywood is raping people's cultures, by making movies about them? Or by some other means? If you could just elaborate on that, it would be most appreciated. Thanks
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:10 am
Mr Crawley You should focus on enjoying and encouraging more than criticizing and scrutinizing. I can't enjoy sexual violence any more than I can enjoy seeing ANY culture get characterized maybe just maybe if Hollywood stop promoting such things I wouldn't have to feel the way that do. I am not about to just look at thing at face vaule. Way too many people do that already. Disney is evil and I'm glad that "traditional" media is dying. Though it doesn't matter since the crap will carry over into the digital market anyway only it's worst since people actually believe the internet is like the wild west. rolleyes
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:14 am
Foxprincess09 Princess Z-M Well I think we will have to agree to disagree then. As I would put Salt, Last Samurai and all those movies in the same box and no even if the actor was Black I would still feel the same way. I don't like how Hollywood gets away with raping people's culture and being so ******** dense as hell with minority groups. Sorry that so many people fall into either. Sorry to interject, but I was just reading the convo undertaking here and I am just a wee bit confused. Hollywood is raping people's cultures, by making movies about them? Or by some other means? If you could just elaborate on that, it would be most appreciated. Thanks Other means. Mainly by using stereotypes and characterizing people. Mostly what Spike was trying to say in Bamboozle same act just different actors really. I really see no difference between Avatar than any of those old westerns from the early years of Hollywood.
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:59 am
Actually, can i just say something. Blackifying is actually a word. It's in the ebonics dictionary. Look it up. 3nodding
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Posted: Sun Jan 30, 2011 11:43 am
Princess Z-M Well I think we will have to agree to disagree then. As I would put Salt, Last Samurai and all those movies in the same box and no even if the actor was Black I would still feel the same way. I don't like how Hollywood gets away with raping people's culture and being so ******** dense as hell with minority groups. Sorry that so many people fall into either. The problem is that you can do this with any movie. It's wrong, if you play the ethnicity wheel. It's wrong if you don't. You can't win for losing.
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