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That's what I'm saying, the unconcieved child does deserved a chance at life, so when it is concieved, the mother should not use abortion.

Sperm and egg cells are not human, only a part of one. When they join, become a zygote, and a child is concieved, that is when life begins.

Is that some kind of threat? "Stop abortions or Fluffy gets it"? So, you're pro-life but only if it's human. *nods head* Yup, speciesist. I suppose if we found a new sentient species hidding in the Amazon Rain Forest anti-choicers would happily cut them down for meat patties... Or if there actually was an alien race out there that came to offer us a hand of friendship they'd chew on it's fingers... domokun

I'm probably about go off topic...

Now then, anti-choicers (for the most part) say that the zygote is fully human (geneticly if not actually) and has the potential to do all those things which the born, actual humans do, e.g. think, breed, eat cake. It's all in the potential, so...

zygote
fetus
baby
toddler
child
pre-pubescent
pubescent
young adult
adult
old adult
very old adult

So all stages have the potential to move to the next one and do all those things that those at the next stage do; a pre-pubescent moves up to a pubescent and can breed, an old person moves up to a very old person and can talk of the good old days for much longer.

We're all missing one final jump though. Death. Every living thing has the potential to be dead, and this is a complete certainty, there is no escaping death. What does the middle matter? Especially to something which does not even know it has the potential to be the things between zygote and dead?

Why is it so important that a fetus comes to full fruition? The same point could be asked of euthenasia, why is it so important to hold onto life even if life is physically painful? Or if life no longer holds the same meaning it did 5 years ago, if you're in a vegetative state?

Now my opinion is not "life doesn't matter, lets all go out and slit our wrists, goth, goth, goth poetry". I'm posing a few thoughts that rattled into my brain whilst reading this thread.

In the words of David Lister "Yes, you're born and then you die, the bit in the middle's called life, and that's still to come!"

I really hope this guild isn't dead. gonk

Anyway, I've been thinking about that lately, too. When I was at the store the other day, I felt sick while I watched the butchers slide a long, razor-sharp knife along the skinned leg of a cow, scraping the meat off the bones. I started thinking to myself, "It was an innocent cow. Why did it have to die? Would I be shopping with my Mom for this meat if it was human meat in those packages?"

The cow never hurt anyone. All it did was moo, live a happy life, and graze in a lush, green feild. And then I got to thinking. "Why is it okay to kill plants? They're still alive. They have auras, even though they're white. There's an obvious difference between a dead stock of corn and one that is alive. They shrivel up after they die. Just like animals, including humans." But if I did what my mind was suggesting, I would starve. Unless I started eating humans to make it fair... but I'm not going to be doing that anytime soon.

And besides, in my own religious beliefs, human life is more valuable than other animals' lives. Then it goes into a whole other discussion. So, I'm just going to remain a semi-canibbalistic girl until my mind changes.

And also, off the topic, I was wondering if, for sure, the unborn child is a parasite, because I got this from Dictionary.com:

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Biology. An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.

One who habitually takes advantage of the generosity of others without making any useful return.
One who lives off and flatters the rich; a sycophant.
A professional dinner guest, especially in ancient Greece.
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If "Different" meant "a seperate entity" (only), wouldn't it have said "another"? Like, for example, fleas and a dog. Fleas are in no way a dog, and a dog is not a flea, so in that case it would be a parasite. But the human fetus is a human being, and the woman is a human being. They're both of the same species, even though one isn't a person.

Does that mean that you, being pro-choice (or should I use terms like you do and say anti-life? That sounds lovely), support rape? That's a choice, right?

I hope you don't. If you do, then okay, tell people they're not prolife if they eat meat. Unless you want to make all choices legal, don't expect others to want to treat all organisms as people.