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 Posted: Thu Aug 13, 2009 6:31 pm
Zhira Enuey What Paul is talking about in 1 Timothy 11-14 applyed to one town because that town was where the woman were the rulers. Quote: A second common objection is that Paul only restricted the women of Ephesus from teaching (1 Timothy was written to Timothy, who was the pastor of the church in Ephesus). The city of Ephesus was known for its temple to Artemis, a false Greek/Roman goddess. Women were the authority in the worship of Artemis. However, the book of 1 Timothy nowhere mentions Artemis, nor does Paul mention Artemis worship as a reason for the restrictions in 1 Timothy 2:11-12.
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 8:44 pm
There were female prophets in the bible and leaders, I don't see why not but personaly women do enough (with child rearing and holding house hold chores as well as jobs now a days) but if she wants to go into preaching I'd say let her.
As for the women being silent in churches, well that was taken out of context there used to be women who would interupt whoever was talking and ask questions it wasn't about them having to keep completly silent.
Meh, the men who also ruled in thoes times even Jesus christ himself didn't agree with and corrected alot of them, rules that once stood in the bible were broken and shatterd by christ because they were rules of men. The women who would have been stonned if not for jesus being there for a small example.
God says we are all one in Christ, that there is no differnce, but that's in His eyes only not in ours appaerntly.
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 9:53 pm
I like how the people arguing against women as pastors are actually using scripture, and in context, to prove their point while it's just someone's opinion to try and prove the other side.
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Posted: Sun Nov 29, 2009 11:44 pm
white winters snow ...rules that once stood in the bible were broken and shatterd by christ because they were rules of men. white winters snow There were female prophets in the bible and leaders, I don't see why not but personaly women do enough (with child rearing and holding house hold chores as well as jobs now a days) but if she wants to go into preaching I'd say let her. white winters snow As for the women being silent in churches, well that was taken out of context there used to be women who would interupt whoever was talking and ask questions it wasn't about them having to keep completly silent. white winters snow God says we are all one in Christ, that there is no differnce, but that's in His eyes only not in ours appaerntly.
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:08 am
Well what can I say? I must be reading a differnt bible and don't belive in your god then.
Here's some women I've read a bit about in the bible and wouldn't the bible contridict itself then if they are in here?
Exodus 15:20: Miriam, the sister of Aaron was a prophetess and one of the triad of leaders of Israel during the Exodus from Egypt.
Judges 4 & 5: Deborah, a prophet-judge, headed the army of ancient Israel.
2 Kings 22:14; 2 Chronicles 34:22 Huldah, a prophet, verified the authenticity of the "Book of the Law of the Lord given through Moses." She triggered a religious renewal.
Acts 9:36 The author of Luke referred to a female disciple by her Aramaic name Tabitha, who was also known by her Greek name Dorcas. She became sick had died; Peter brought her back to life.
Acts 21:8: Philip the evangelist had four unmarried daughters who were prophets..
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 12:24 pm
And what a shock, not a single one of them was a pastor, which is the point of the thread.
I'm sorry, but being a prophet/prophetess and being a pastor are different things, and if you read the scripture I referenced in my previous post, you'll hear my entire argument laid out before you from the inspired Word of God, in context, and in plain English. If you don't want to read, then that's your own fault. If your god isn't my God, then your god isn't the God of Scripture, I must say. The Bible doesn't mince words on this issue. So far all I've seen from the opposing side is opinion and straw-grasping at verses which have nothing to do with the topic.
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Posted: Mon Nov 30, 2009 9:40 pm
I don't remember if I said it in this thread (since it is such an old thread). but a local Without Walls (non-denominational) church in my area just had the head pastor step down. He has been succeeded by his Ex-wife. I say, heracy!
There has been a lot of contemporary movements for women to gain rights that once were not granted to them. The movements try to label things like this as "outdated," or "non-applicable." The rules still apply. Blame Eve. mrgreen
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Posted: Tue Dec 01, 2009 3:06 am
Haven923 Just a demo of how messed up our world is, here is a little true story. Ther eis a church in my area called "Without Walls." They are a non-denominational church. A feel-good church. Their current pastor has just stepped down and guess who is taking his place at the pulpit? His EX-wife. Just a little food for thought.... ninja Couple of points. a) A "feel-good church"? I'm not sure how comfortable I feel with that idea. If I walk in and out of a church feeling like I should give myself a pat on the back, I'm not happy. This is up for debate because it's just my own personal opinion. b) The pastor stepped down and his ex-wife is up? So you've got two pastors who evidently did not appreciate the actual meaning of marriage, and from the sound of the church, I'd doubt that many members of the church are over 25 years of age. Is that really something we want happening in a church of rather impressionable minds? Food for thought. Chomp chomp chomp. Goodnight.
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