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 Posted: Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:28 pm
Kleine Frage für euch.
Wann ist die am besten Zeit zu ß oder ss schreiben? Ich sehe immer beide aber ich kann nicht wann verstehen. Gibt es eine Rechtschreibungsregel für wann zu ß benutzen? Oder muss ich welcher Wörter benutzen ß oder ss lernen?
Amerikaner hier sweatdrop
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Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:37 am
it's better to use an esszet (sp?) only if you've seen the word spelled like that before. because my laptop is incapable of german characters, so i have to type "ss". it used to be that everyone used an esszet in place of "ss", but overtime the rules changed. (just like das Maedchen changed to die Maedchen because the feminists were upset they were being called "it" instead of "her") in German spelling b's, they will take off points for using an esszet instead of "ss" and vice versa, so be careful.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 12:13 pm
psycotic_wallaby it's better to use an esszet (sp?) only if you've seen the word spelled like that before. because my laptop is incapable of german characters, so i have to type "ss". it used to be that everyone used an esszet in place of "ss", but overtime the rules changed. (just like das Maedchen changed to die Maedchen because the feminists were upset they were being called "it" instead of "her") in German spelling b's, they will take off points for using an esszet instead of "ss" and vice versa, so be careful. I've learned it das Madchen. How recent was this? Then again, my German book's around 12 or so years old.
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Posted: Thu Jun 18, 2009 1:03 pm
it was just recent. not everyone says die Maedchen anyway, so they didn't accomplish much, it was just something my teacher had told me. and most german school books are ancient. yay cheap education. XP
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Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 9:02 am
We talked alot about that in class. I was taught das for that word but die was trying to be used. In all irony woman where upset by Doktor and Doktorin and wanted to be referred as Doktor. Of course that confuses me - when do you use Arzt?
I wonder if kids just learning their language get confused with articles and when its right to feminize a word with -in. Im old enough to understand and I get confused with the 6 articles!
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Posted: Sun Jun 21, 2009 7:48 am
yeah, that does get confusing. i still have trouble with that too.
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Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:42 am
In regards to your original question, my German prof told my class the general rule for "ss" versus "ß" is whether it's preceded by a long vowel or a short vowel. If it's a long vowel then it will be an esszet, like in "groß", and if it's a short vowel then it will be the double consonant, like in "Wasser."
He also said that some words people spell differently because they pronounce them differently. For example the word "Spaß", meaning "fun" will be spelled "Spass" if the person pronounces the word with a short vowel. I think the pronunciation depends on the region of Germany the person comes from.
As to the Mädchen discussion, I learned that any German word ending in "chen" or "lein" is a diminutive and therefore is automatically neuter or "das."
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Posted: Mon Oct 05, 2009 10:46 pm
Das Maedchen, I learned as being the correct form, especially in written or formal spoken situations, although I've heard some say that when speaking informally, it may be okay to refer to Maedchen using feminine pronouns.
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Posted: Tue Oct 06, 2009 2:49 am
Zimmer o_0 In regards to your original question, my German prof told my class the general rule for "ss" versus "ß" is whether it's preceded by a long vowel or a short vowel. If it's a long vowel then it will be an esszet, like in "groß", and if it's a short vowel then it will be the double consonant, like in "Wasser." He also said that some words people spell differently because they pronounce them differently. For example the word "Spaß", meaning "fun" will be spelled "Spass" if the person pronounces the word with a short vowel. I think the pronunciation depends on the region of Germany the person comes from. As to the Mädchen discussion, I learned that any German word ending in "chen" or "lein" is a diminutive and therefore is automatically neuter or "das." Hello from a private class teacher wink The esplanation on "ss" and "ß" is absolute correct. German gramatica was even changed in a reform so all words now are spelled in order to fulfill the grammatical rules. soft spoken s-sound : S
(Gras, er las,... in doubt form the plural or infinitiv to hear the soft s: Gräser, lesen...)
sharp spoken s-sound after long vocal: ß
(Spaß, saß...)
sharp spoken s-sound after short vocal: ss
(Wasser, nass...)
I, as a user of the old german spelling, was quite pissed. I thought: If I learned the spelling by writing and memory, why can't today german youth? I mostly 'stumble' over the new spelling in books while reading them. But then again, for foreigners it's much easier to learn... biggrin As to Mädchen: It is alwasy DAS Mädchen, plural is feminin as always: die Mädchen. Now why are girls supposed to be neutral? This comes from the old times (middle ages) where girls ans boys where gramtically separated from their later mature sex. Also, it is a diminurive and therefor needs a "das", but the original words are seldom used (except in Bayern and dialects): die Maid - das Mädchen (originally Maidchen)
der Bub- das BübchenHope I was a help. ninja
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Posted: Mon Dec 07, 2009 2:11 am
So the difference between Arzt and Doktor is this:
"Arzt" is someone who studied medicine at an university while "Doktor" is a title. You need to do special works for it. Also you can be a "Doktor" in every subject you study not only medicine.
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Posted: Sun Jan 17, 2010 3:29 pm
psycotic_wallaby it's better to use an esszet (sp?) only if you've seen the word spelled like that before. because my laptop is incapable of german characters, so i have to type "ss". it used to be that everyone used an esszet in place of "ss", but overtime the rules changed. (just like das Maedchen changed to die Maedchen because the feminists were upset they were being called "it" instead of "her") in German spelling b's, they will take off points for using an esszet instead of "ss" and vice versa, so be careful. Wait what? My teacher is German, she lived there till she was 16 and goes back and our books are from like 2000 I think, and I have never heard that, like our teacher never told us 'well, we always said...' I just learned something new.... Quote: I, as a user of the old german spelling, was quite pissed. I thought: If I learned the spelling by writing and memory, why can't today german youth? I mostly 'stumble' over the new spelling in books while reading them. But then again, for foreigners it's much easier to learn... icon_biggrin.gif Im american, and I got pissed about that. I learned 'Fluss" as "Fluß" years-and I do mean years-before that word came up in my books at school, and I was so pissed when I kept losing points on work because I kept spelling it wrong and it really bothered me because it never looked right.
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Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 10:57 am
Zimmer o_0 In regards to your original question, my German prof told my class the general rule for "ss" versus "ß" is whether it's preceded by a long vowel or a short vowel. If it's a long vowel then it will be an esszet, like in "groß", and if it's a short vowel then it will be the double consonant, like in "Wasser." That's right!
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Posted: Thu Feb 11, 2010 5:35 pm
*shakes head at all the debate, not understanding a word* so how do you type an esszet into a mac? lol
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Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2010 6:22 am
I have no clue, I've never had a Mac. But if you can change your keyboard, that's how I do it on my comp. Otherwise, there's probably an "insert symbol" button if you're in Open Office or something similar. Or there's probably a character map that you can access somewhere.
But if you want a simpler answer I'm sure you could find something easily by Googling it, or wait until someone with a Mac comes along this thread. ^^
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