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 Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 6:22 pm
Okay, so not exactly, but i DID reference the show HUGELY in it. like, more than a paragraphs worth.
my essay is about rationalization and self deception; how its at the same time a bad thing, and yet it is also necessary for society to function.
How on EARTH is that related to the Doctor? well, he is one of the few people who can really see the Truth. Like, the whole truth, of life, everything. I guess one of my points is that if we all saw the absolute truth about life and everything, we wouldnt be able to handle it.
I.E. the doctor's companions have seen how big the universe is, and their place in it. and they're changed forever,
and ya. so, i know it's not that great a forum topic, but i felt like it was something i should mention here, lol.
so, any connected thoughts? or have you ever referenced Doctor who in work?
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Posted: Mon May 25, 2009 8:34 pm
I'd have to disagree with you, the Doctor doesn't see the truth, he sees what's out there. Take for example the second newer season, when he goes to Satan's pit. He keeps on trying to rationalize this creature that was around before time, yeah? Well, he just can't fathom something that was around BEFORE time, that's IMPOSSIBLE he says. Yet, the creature was standing right before him on some strange planet. Was is Satan? Was it some creature claiming to be Satan? The Doctor never finds out and he never seeks the truth, he just stops. But you could argue that for him, the truth is science, that's the truth to him. Well, isn't that the way everyone sees the truth? If you believe in a religion but someone else doesn't, which one is the TRUTH? To me, it's all relative. To religious people, the truth is their religion, non-religious people have their own truths as well. Which is what I think that episode is trying to convey. But that's all my opinion.
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Hairy Priest Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 12:19 am
Generally speaking, I think using any sort of fiction to support a point doesn't make sense. For example, I once saw someone mention the book 'Frankenstein' as an argument against the genetic modification of food. Ignoring the fact that Frankenstein wasn't even a genetically altered organism, what does such an example really prove? That you're worried about something because of something you read in a story book?
So talking about how people would react to Truth using fictional characters from a science fiction program about people flying through time and space in a blue box probably isn't the best way to make a point.
Or maybe that's just me.
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 1:38 am
is english not compulsory in your country? All that's ever done in english essys is the support of an argument using a work of fiction.
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Hairy Priest Vice Captain
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 3:11 am
Kireshai is english not compulsory in your country? All that's ever done in english essys is the support of an argument using a work of fiction. Wouldn't it make more sense to support an argument based on facts than fiction? I mean (and to keep this relevant to Doctor Who) if you were going to write an essay on the merits of the death penalty, wouldn't it be better to talk about the actual pros and cons of it, rather than going into whether or not the Doctor was right to not wipe out the Daleks in "Genesis of the Daleks", or not killing Davros when he had the chance in "Resurrection of the Daleks"? Those stories provide some interesting ideas about the topic, sure, but using them as a way to make an argument?
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 6:09 pm
I think its a good thing 2 do in SOME CASES. Some one had 2 come up with these ideas so they could actually be opinions. So mabey you could just squeeze it in there but facts are better for reasoning. razz
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Fantasy_of_Strange_Things
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Posted: Tue May 26, 2009 9:07 pm
Kireshai is english not compulsory in your country? All that's ever done in english essys is the support of an argument using a work of fiction. Err, the only time I've made an argument with a work of fiction is when I'm studying that work of fiction. Sure, English essays are usually about English text, but sometimes they are about politics or your ideas based on careful research. I probably wouldn't write a research paper and include how Genocide is wrong because the Doctor is really emo about wiping out two whole races. Wow, it took a long time to come up with that.
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 3:38 am
XellosRei Kireshai is english not compulsory in your country? All that's ever done in english essys is the support of an argument using a work of fiction. Err, the only time I've made an argument with a work of fiction is when I'm studying that work of fiction. Sure, English essays are usually about English text, but sometimes they are about politics or your ideas based on careful research. I probably wouldn't write a research paper and include how Genocide is wrong because the Doctor is really emo about wiping out two whole races. Wow, it took a long time to come up with that. I can just see myself supporting/defending my senior thesis through Doctor Who.... I don't think that'd go over too well. xd
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Posted: Wed May 27, 2009 7:27 am
Works of fiction are reflections of the writer's thoughts, and the writer's thoughts are reflections of both the writer's personality and the society around him/her. Works of fiction are great for reminding people of something, or for showing a single angle or aspect of how a thing could progress, as in the movie "Die Welle" (The Wave) where a teacher turns half the school into a dictatorship, with the students not knowing, as part of an experiment on his side.
I would rather reference works of fiction in an essay to explain how the writer thought at the time, and of the things that inspired him/her to write about that particular subject in that particular way. Large problems are referenced in works of fiction, and it is brought to our minds when we read or watch them.
I don't think I would ever draw such a conclusion as to stating that a person in a TV-show, that isn't supposed to be God or something, knows absolute truth.
TL;DR? sweatdrop
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:27 pm
Hairy Priest Kireshai is english not compulsory in your country? All that's ever done in english essys is the support of an argument using a work of fiction. Wouldn't it make more sense to support an argument based on facts than fiction? I mean (and to keep this relevant to Doctor Who) if you were going to write an essay on the merits of the death penalty, wouldn't it be better to talk about the actual pros and cons of it, rather than going into whether or not the Doctor was right to not wipe out the Daleks in "Genesis of the Daleks", or not killing Davros when he had the chance in "Resurrection of the Daleks"? Those stories provide some interesting ideas about the topic, sure, but using them as a way to make an argument? hmm. . i guess i forgot to mention, it's a literary comparison essay. while it's probably not gonna be a HUGE part of my essay, my teacher still wants me to use it. um, i dunno, my thesis is (this is aa simple version) that humans lie to themselves all the time in order to function in socitey. im using Doctor Who as an example of someone who DID see the entire Truth of life and the universe. and i mention that he is quite bitter because of it. (thats debatable, i know) and there's lots of things in Doctor Who where knowing the truth causes bad things to happen, or something. like how Donna says she doesnt want to travel with the doctor at first, cause the universe is so scary.
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2009 2:33 pm
okay, WOW just found THE BEST CONNECTION EVER!!!!!!. Kay, so like, you know how in order to be a time lord, you have to look intothe time vortex? and how like, it's so intense it drives some timelords mad, like the Master? well THATS my metaphor. right there.
*WIN*
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Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2009 12:59 pm
lemurs366 okay, WOW just found THE BEST CONNECTION EVER!!!!!!. Kay, so like, you know how in order to be a time lord, you have to look intothe time vortex? and how like, it's so intense it drives some timelords mad, like the Master? well THATS my metaphor. right there. *WIN* oh Yea i forgot about that
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Fantasy_of_Strange_Things
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 9:47 am
I based my entire Junior Cert Art project on Doctor Who.
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Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 10:02 pm
Truth is what you make it.
I'd say the Doctor sees truth for what he can see it for.
Take Midnight. He almost loses his life for his own curiosity (admit it, five more minutes of getting the life sucked outta him, and he would have been dead).
The humans count him for a bit daffy while he's under the "monster"s influence.
But he knows. He knows who doubted him in the first place.
You never find out what the monster really is, and The Doctor really doesn't want to know...he's clearly almost traumatized after the event.
I guess my point was that its all very much in the physical truth for the Doctor, in other words, a humanistic view, its not really about faith, or what you can't see (unless it's faith in people, something humans always seem to let him down on), but about what you can see, hear, touch, feel, taste, and smell...its mostly based on the senses.
I don't know exactly where I was going with that, just brainstorming and getting it out there.
I'm usually good at English essays. Before I really got into Doctor Who (I'd only seen I think one or two eppys, and I wrote an English essay about the future. Basically I said that tech is the progression of the universe and there is no use stopping it. I used a oouple of Whovian references and everyone LOVED the project, (because we had to present it as well) I guess it's because I didn't just keep it to one sci-fi show, but I encompassed as much as possible, such as Trek, Wars, and Who.) I got a 3.5, that made me happy. And then I got deeply involved..I don't think I could write another essay like that unless my life depended on it)
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