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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 5:26 pm
Ok so I've realized just how BAD I am at speaking lol xD I can call myself an intermediate student, but I'm really not when you throw in my speaking ability. It's not that I can't pronounce things, it's more like when I try to say an actual sentence I stutter and freeze and mis-pronounce things when I'm trying my hardest not to. I had a Japanese tutor and she said that I have near native pronunciation on everything- but now I don't have someone to actually talk to, meaning that I only have near-native pronunciation on individual words.......
Surprisingly, I can say 行かなければならないのなら早くのほうがいいです without many problems (occasionally stumbling on the "ra" of "nara" but that's it)
but I can't say 朝ご飯を食べないで学校えいった which is a rather simple sentence...
I repeat on CDs, I sing Jpop (lol when no one's around emo thank god xD), I make an EFFORT to speak, but I just get worse and worse xD I get extremely embarrassed when speaking Japanese around my parents. I don't know why. I will speak to anyone else in Japanese, but not my parents (same goes with singing. IT's just this strange embarassment I get around them when it comes to doing anything individual), so I have a lot of trouble studying when they're around. Unfortunately that's a lot of the time, cause if my dad isn't travelling for his job he's at home, and my mom comes home from work around the same time I get home from school, meaning I don't really have much time to practice (oooh how I LOVE it when no ones home O_o singing AND Japanese practice time xd )
Anyway, do you guys have any good ways to practice speaking? I know of www.sharedtalk.com and I've used the speech thing on there, but the thing is if you don't understand what they're saying, yer kinda screwed if their English isn't good.
So, I'm really stuck on this. Help, please?
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 6:12 pm
Btw there are NOT many Japanese people in upstate NY xDxDxD the asian population is mostly Chinese and Korean (Hell I think the Japanese restaurants are run by Koreans xD there's like ONE sushi place that's actually run by Japanese people)...
So please do not say "Find some Japanese people". No. Won't work xD Other than my previous tutor (but we sorta got outta touch and it takes her like months to reply to emails and yeah..)
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Posted: Sun Apr 05, 2009 9:17 pm
Ah, the joys of being home alone... I'm pretty newbie still... I didn't recognize the first three kanji characters in that second sentence, but that first one sounds like a bit of a tongue-twister, lol. Were you always able to say that one fine, or did you have to practise it a lot? I guess you could try to think back on how you originally approached that first sentence and try to apply those methods to other sentences.
Maybe try saying it slowly at first, or even breaking it down into smaller pieces? I used to think it was kind of confusing how there aren't any spaces between words in Japanese, but now I can sort of recognize which characters make up a word and which ones are particles. Like, in that second sentence, I would have read it as "_go_wo_benaidegakkoueitta", which is sorta hard to understand. I think it's easier to say it when you look at it like "_go _ wo _be nai de gakkou eitta" (I probably broke the words down there wrong since I don't know the meanings of most of them, sorry). Anyhow, the breaking it down stuff... Maybe try practising the first half of the sentence alone and then the second half later, then combining them when you think you have the hang of both?
Do you only have trouble with saying what you're reading, or do you also have trouble with saying your own sentences and/or singing along to Jpop?
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 12:11 pm
Zantetsken Ah, the joys of being home alone... I'm pretty newbie still... I didn't recognize the first three kanji characters in that second sentence, but that first one sounds like a bit of a tongue-twister, lol. Were you always able to say that one fine, or did you have to practise it a lot? I guess you could try to think back on how you originally approached that first sentence and try to apply those methods to other sentences. Maybe try saying it slowly at first, or even breaking it down into smaller pieces? I used to think it was kind of confusing how there aren't any spaces between words in Japanese, but now I can sort of recognize which characters make up a word and which ones are particles. Like, in that second sentence, I would have read it as "_go_wo_benaidegakkoueitta", which is sorta hard to understand. I think it's easier to say it when you look at it like "_go _ wo _be nai de gakkou eitta" (I probably broke the words down there wrong since I don't know the meanings of most of them, sorry). Anyhow, the breaking it down stuff... Maybe try practising the first half of the sentence alone and then the second half later, then combining them when you think you have the hang of both? Do you only have trouble with saying what you're reading, or do you also have trouble with saying your own sentences and/or singing along to Jpop? They translate to ikanakereba naranai no nara hayaku no hou ga ii desu (If you have to go, go quickly ("Quickly would be best")). and asagohan wo tabenaide gakkou e itta (I went to school without eating breakfast). I SORT of had to practice the first one, but only a try or two. I just said it slowly a few times. Can't do that for simple ones though xD I don't generally have trouble with reading something unless I forget a kanji reading (I'm slow when reading aloud in Japanese but I can still do it). It's not even forming sentences, just SAYING them lol.
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:28 pm
I have the same thing about speaking around my parents. xD Except it applies to my entire family. I just get really embarrassed doing japanese stuff around them, even though my sisters are really into anime/manga/gaming. (we go to anime conventions and stuff together.) But I'm the only one learning japanese, probably because they're too lazy to.
I haven't done this yet as I don't think I could keep a conversation up, but you could go to skype forums and find someone who's native language is japanese and add them to your skype (get one if you don't have it already) and then you could talk to them for practice. :]
Also, in "朝ご飯を食べないで学校えいった" shouldn't the "え” be "へ" ? As in 「朝ご飯を食べないで学校へいった。」 (but still pronounce it as "e")
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Posted: Mon Apr 06, 2009 1:51 pm
TurtIe Tracks I have the same thing about speaking around my parents. xD Except it applies to my entire family. I just get really embarrassed doing japanese stuff around them, even though my sisters are really into anime/manga/gaming. (we go to anime conventions and stuff together.) But I'm the only one learning japanese, probably because they're too lazy to. I haven't done this yet as I don't think I could keep a conversation up, but you could go to skype forums and find someone who's native language is japanese and add them to your skype (get one if you don't have it already) and then you could talk to them for practice. :] Also, in "朝ご飯を食べないで学校えいった" shouldn't the "え” be "へ" ? As in 「朝ご飯を食べないで学校へいった。」 (but still pronounce it as "e") Whoops my bad about the e thing. I know that the kana used is he but i was typing so my computer just put in e and i didn't bother checking xD I don't have the embarassment problem infront of anyone else- i ran upstairs today and demanded to my brother where the curling iron was (in japanese) and he was like "Uh..... wut....?" lol it was fun
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Posted: Thu Apr 09, 2009 1:38 pm
Haha, wow. Well for me it's not that bad around my little sister, but very for my older one. For my younger sister I prefer not to, but sometimes I will IM her in japanese... or if there's something I want to secretly communicate I might using japanese, since she watches way too much anime and can actually get the gist of it. (far from fluency though)
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Posted: Thu Apr 30, 2009 10:31 am
have you thought about using skype? I do this with my former tandem partners and we speak one hour german and one hour japanese ^^ it kind of works...and I got better
what also might help if you speak with someone who is not a native speaker, sure the other persons also makes mistakes, but it might help to get over that inner barrier in the head -I still have it u_u I´m afraid to speak with natives *sigh* always forget the easiest phrases and stumble over every word....it is frustrating...
hope I could help you with my ideas ^^ by the way I never tried the second one myself XD but it might work
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Posted: Tue May 19, 2009 6:45 pm
Ah man, I wish I could read that without using romaji. Fail. emo
It's been a long while since I've studied anything about it sadly, and school's been dominating my life (or at least as much as I let it...I'm not exactly doing the homework). It would be so cool if school offered Japanese classes; I would be the first to sign up and enjoying every moment.
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