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Merlin the White

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:30 am


Well, just like in every religion, there are shades of gray in Buddhism with most things, especially the 1st precept. Most of the hardcore Buddhists would consider Paintball, etc, a violation of the precept against causing harm. Personally, I'm sort of on the fence about it, because while you aren't causing harm to someone out of hate, etc, and it is a game, it sort of a simulation of war, where the whole point is to kill people. I guess it just depends on your point of view.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 11:56 am


But then, couldn't they say that violent video games and such, are unnacceptable? If it's not doing any actual harm to anyone, then shouldn't it be okay? I know it's supposed to be about peace and whatnot, but it's not they're going out there and killing people. o.o;;

AssiaYomomato


Harry Parachute

PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:38 pm


AssiaYomomato
But then, couldn't they say that violent video games and such, are unnacceptable?


You need to be careful with terminology.

The Precepts are not Commandments, so it's not an issue of "do this and face damnation". They'll just cause you spiritual harm.

If that read "couldn't they say that violent video games and such are harmful?" then yes, they could and probably would.

The level of harm they do, however, would be extremely negligable and could be effectively countered with good acts or simple mindfulness of your actions while playing the video game.

...this would be considerably harder to do with, say, beheading your parents.

That's probably more along the lines of what Buddhism might label "unacceptable".

Most of this has already been gone over in the thread.
PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:59 am


AssiaYomomato
But then, couldn't they say that violent video games and such, are unnacceptable? If it's not doing any actual harm to anyone, then shouldn't it be okay? I know it's supposed to be about peace and whatnot, but it's not they're going out there and killing people. o.o;;


Well, there are some people (like Thich Nhat Hanh) that would probably argue that playing such video games at all is spiritually harmful. Me, I agree with Harry on this one, it depends on what your mindset is while your playing the game, and whether or not you understand that it isn't real.

Merlin the White


AssiaYomomato

PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:56 am


Thank you, I see now..I'm sorry if I constantly ask repeat question.. sweatdrop I am really busy with school at the moment, I don't have a lot of time to go through and read all the threads here.
PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2005 5:33 pm


Zoutout
About illing in self defense:

The general martial arts teaching seems to be:

Subdue before damage
Damage before maim
Maim before kill

i.e. do what's necessary, but don't go over the top.


As a martial artist, it is not about training for war but training to protect oneself. You could also think of it as practice to defend against things that are detrimental to your dharma. The point is not to kill your opponenet but more to kill their aggression. So as Zoutout said, "Subdue before damage, damage before maim, and maim before kill". So to practice martial arts is not only nondetrimental, but could also enhance your understanding of the dharma. The only time it could be bad is if the martial arts teacher is bad and doesn't teach any values to their students. So in conclusion: martial arts good whee .

Atman


Sun Saru

Familiar Explorer

PostPosted: Tue Feb 01, 2005 7:16 am


Violence is counter to peace. Sex (gay and strait) is counter to the loss of want. The thing is, its not as easy as calling it a "sin" as in other religions. In buddhism there is a reaction to everything we do, so the question you should ask yourself in these matters is not whether its a sin or not. The question should be: Are you willing to take the consiquences of your actions?
PostPosted: Wed Feb 16, 2005 7:24 pm


elano
but you dont have to have sex in order to be gay?


But isn't it being gay or lesbian if you're attracted to someone of the same sex?

'Harry Parachute"
As for homosexuality...yeah, Buddhism states it's bad more or less. It falls under the precept speaking against "sexual misconduct".

Probably not something you're going to be sent to the depths of Hell over, but it's not going to be a great help in developing spiritually. Sex's for procreation, according to Buddhism and most Religions, and if you consider yourself a homosexual...well...you can connect the dots as to where this is going to go.


But, if a man and a woman are having sex not for procreation, then that's just as bad, right?

Taille


Kokiri Warrior

PostPosted: Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:23 am


I wish to say a few things

1) In paintball there is no intent to harm, the buddha warned against using voilence as it a) disrespects life and b) causes suffering. Paintball is a game, those who play believe it is fun, and no life is taken so there is no disrespect for life.

2)Everyone is welcome to become buddhist, there is no discrimination to homosexuals. Sexual misconduct is acting under lust, and not all homosexual acts are lustful. Lust is another attachment, another blindfold, that muddles the waters of our pond mind. There is a deeper more spiritual form of sex that exists, but many people are too attached to percieve it, and I believe this form is not intended for heterosexuals only.

3)Spiritually harmful is a bad use of terms. Attachments lead not to harm, but rather spiritual blindness and loss of perspective.

4)In tibetan buddhism it is believed being human is being rather low on the cosmic ladder, and that animals are much higher to achieving higher enlightenment. However, I will not comment on whether animals can experience peace, but rather point you in the direction of a famous koan: Does a dog have buddha nature?

Good luck with your journeys
PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:12 am


Atman
As a martial artist, it is not about training for war but training to protect oneself. You could also think of it as practice to defend against things that are detrimental to your dharma.

I think it's worth pointing out that it's been described as:
Training to defend yourself, or those who cannot defend themselves.

Zoutout

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