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WHAT IS Heisig's method and HOW DO YOU DO IT

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The_Brightest_Moon

PostPosted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 5:45 pm


I don't get it at all. People say that it will help you remember kanji by making up stories- So I did for one. No one actually told me HOW so I made a little story for 遠 (far) and my explanation was the line at the bottom extended FAR and the lines above it were FAR in the background (if you could see it in a picture). So then I told a penpal and he's like "no, your story is too complicated. You're doing it wrong". He's learned like 600 kanji in a few months, I've learned 200 kanji in 2 months simply by writing them so what's all the hype about heisig's method? HOW DO YOU DO IT if I'm not doing it right? Can you either give a detailed explanation and example or a link to a site where it gives one? Thanks.

And btw the story i made up didn't help anyway. It's just more to memorize...
PostPosted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:24 am


Hi, I'm about 800 kanji into using the Heisig method. I'm not very good at explaining things, but I'll give it a shot.

Heisig's method is typically made to be used in tandem with his book, Remembering the Kanji. It breaks down the radicals (or elements, as he calls them) in kanji and associates each of those radicals with a meaning, which you can then use to make stories about kanji. The purpose of the method is to gain the ability to recognize and write kanji (with proper stroke order) without having to do any brute force learning, such as writing them hundreds of times until you can see them in your sleep.

It works beautifully together with an SRS (spaced repetition software) like Anki, or the Leitner system-based website Reviewing the Kanji, which specializes in the Heisig method of kanji learning.

An example from the RevtK website, of the 779th kanji in the book:
[銃] is a kanji associated with "guns." It's composed of the elements [金] "gold/metal" and [充], "allot."
The story someone used was: What is a gun but a device for allotting pieces of metal? One for you - BANG!...One for you - BANG!...One for you - BANG!...One for you - BANG!...etc.

Common criticisms are that he doesn't teach the kanji in the jouyou list order, which is how schoolchildren in Japan learn them, or in order of how frequently they're seen, but instead they're organized by both simplicity and their elements. That can mean that it won't be until you've learned 901 other kanji that you finally get to do #902, [私] (わたし), which is "I." The other issue people have is that the method doesn't teach you the readings of the kanji, only how to recognize them. So when you finish the book, and you see a sentence like "子猫ちゃんはもう眠っているね", you won't know how to read the kanji parts out loud, but you'll be able to see that they mean "Child-kitten" and "sleep." Once you learn kana and basic grammar, the meaning sentence falls into place with ease. It doesn't always work out that way, especially with complicated kanji compounds, though.

So, the method is more like a big, whopping stepping stone toward kanji literacy than it is a total solution for learning everything you need to know about them.

To answer the "how to do it" part, go out and buy the book and get an account (they're free) at RevtK. The site has an info section that explains the rest from there.


But personally, I can't recommend it (together with the Reviewing the Kanji website) enough. I tried learning kanji by writing them out, flashcards, and even a site called Kanjidicks, which basically mentally scarred you into remembering them, but nothing worked as well for my poor memory as Heisig's method has. Even if I might have to use flashcards to memorize the readings later, I can at least recognize each individual kanji and their basic definitions now, opposed to every single card looking like someone sneezed on it while holding a calligraphy brush.

Sorry this is a pretty wordy answer. You can find more info on the method/books in the Remembering the Kanji book reviews on Amazon.com, on the Reviewing the Kanji forums, or just by Googling it. It's a pretty popular method, so there are quite a few reviews out there.

Forte


TurtIe Tracks

PostPosted: Tue Feb 10, 2009 5:11 pm


To cut straight to the point, you remember the character by remembering the radicals in the character, which are usually related.

Example: 木 is tree and 森 (three trees) is forest.

Apparently this Heisig madness means you make stories to remember which radicals you use and where, and he's like revolutionizing views on characters with this or something. Also because he recommends learning in order by how hard the kanji is.

...to be honest I don't really give a darn. Like everyone already notes the radicals when they write/remember kanji anyway.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2009 10:27 am


Radicals don't cover for all the components that show up in kanji.


The thing is, you can't use the method half-heartedly. If you don't finish the book, it won't do you much good. And if you take too long(personally, I think anything longer than 6 months is too long), it's a bit of a waste.

It works well as part of the All Japanese All The Time method of learning Japanese http://www.alljapaneseallthetime.com/blog/about
Basically, you immerse yourself in Japanese, and use an SRS flash card program like Forte recommends to study kanji, vocab, and grammar in context.

Yukamina


Forte

PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 12:13 am


Yukamina
And if you take too long(personally, I think anything longer than 6 months is too long), it's a bit of a waste.
Why is this? I've heard people say not to take too long a few times, but no one ever mentions the reasoning.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 12, 2009 10:17 am


Forte
Yukamina
And if you take too long(personally, I think anything longer than 6 months is too long), it's a bit of a waste.
Why is this? I've heard people say not to take too long a few times, but no one ever mentions the reasoning.


Look at it this way; if it you spend 6 months studying only kanji, at the end you still won't know any actual Japanese. You can look at a newspaper and recognize all the kanji, but you won't be able to read anything. Learning all those kanji removes a huge barrier in learning Japanese, but it's only a fraction of what you have to learn.

Half the point of using RTK is to make your studies more efficient. If you finish RTK in, say, 4 months, and then study Japanese like mad for a year, you'll probably be at a pretty good level. If you take 10 months to finish RTK, it would take 6 extra months to reach the same level as someone who finished in 4 months.

Yukamina

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