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Taco Hut

PostPosted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:22 pm


Why are stormtroopers dummer than Clone troopers? I mean stormtroopers are in the future and SHOULD have better weaponry. Ya WTF
PostPosted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 10:48 am


The answer is The Stormtrooper Effect

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ILick_Chocoboz

PostPosted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 9:57 pm


ok they all are the same clones so what i think is thease cloners that made them were cheap cloners and the storm troopers have an experation date and thats why they keep there sutes on cuz inside they are kertled ewwww rofl
PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2009 6:57 pm


well acutally stormtroopers are not all the same clone. after the kamino uprising the emperor decided to take clones from vairous doners. when amplying for the stormtrooper corps a tropper would take a written exam. if he scored a 4 or 5 out of a 5 point grading scale he would be ask for a DNA sample for cloning. if they did not score a 4 or 5 they would still be asked to join the corps. only the 501st legion stayed pure clone troopers from the clone wars. i.e. Jango Fett. After the rise of the empire Fett clones also lost the ability to gain rank.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 9:34 am


I don't know but you are right that the stormtroopers suck and the clones don't
PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2009 3:51 pm


well the clones were with the good guys at the time.

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mesaallsparklyglowy

PostPosted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:40 pm


But even after Order 66, the clones were much better than stormtroopers. Thousands of Jedi fell by thier hand. Stormtroops can't even take out a couple of teenagers.
PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 12:22 pm


mesaallsparklyglowy
But even after Order 66, the clones were much better than stormtroopers. Thousands of Jedi fell by thier hand. Stormtroops can't even take out a couple of teenagers.


There is a simple explanation called Stormtrooper Effect which is up a above, Stormtroopers and Clone Troopers can only hit things when it's actually intricle(sp) to the plot.

I.E: the death of countless Jedi, was a requirement to make the plot good

I.E: the death of Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy or destruction of R2 or C-3PO early on would ruin the story... therefore hitting them is impossible.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 22, 2009 9:04 pm


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mesaallsparklyglowy
But even after Order 66, the clones were much better than stormtroopers. Thousands of Jedi fell by thier hand. Stormtroops can't even take out a couple of teenagers.


There is a simple explanation called Stormtrooper Effect which is up a above, Stormtroopers and Clone Troopers can only hit things when it's actually intricle(sp) to the plot.

I.E: the death of countless Jedi, was a requirement to make the plot good

I.E: the death of Luke, Leia, Han, Chewy or destruction of R2 or C-3PO early on would ruin the story... therefore hitting them is impossible.
i agree
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:23 pm


ABOUT THE STORMTROOPERS

Quote:
The stormtrooper effect, also called stormtrooper syndrome, is an expression used to describe the cliché phenomenon in works of fiction of minor cannon fodder characters being completely ineffective in combat against characters important to the plot (protagonists). This ineffectiveness is typically visible as an inability to successfully strike the target with ranged weapons, even at close range. Though obviously unrealistic, the effect is common in many stories and movies. The stormtrooper effect is often a source of mockery by critics and fandom, but it is generally recognized as bringing a camp appeal where it occurs.

Though the origin of the expression is unknown, it refers to how the trained stormtroopers of the Galactic Empire in the three original Star Wars movies were usually unable to subdue the protagonists despite overwhelming numbers and firepower, chiefly due to their accuracy or lack thereof.


Lets settle this. Do they suck? Ignoring Endor, I think I have a pretty good case about how they are clearly the best and the scariest dudes the the galaxy.

First off think about how scary it is to have a guy willign to blow up just to kill you.

Now add to that a HIGHLY TRAINED guy willing to do pretty much anything he can just to kill you.

This is the stormtrooper.

ANH they storm the tantive and even though it does provide resistance, they pretty much clean that little rebel mess up pretty quick. Silly rebels and them trying to resist.

Yet suddenly when the rebels are leaving the Death star no one can hit a thing? How is this possible. Clearly they were under orders NOT to kill said rebels. What would have been the point of loading up a tracking beacon on to their ship, if none of the rebels made it to the ship.

So the pilot he has gotta live, so he can get them there. The wookiee might be the pilot so better be on the safe side and kill neither one of them. The farm boy and the woman are clearly rebels who will tell the pilot where to go, can't kill them, and ben gets offed by Vader. In that sense, killing one of the rebels would have never led to the secret rebel base. A plan almost ruined by a trash compactor....


ESB, stormtroopers move in, kill speeders and kill rebels alike. Clear the entire base in the time it takes for Vader to walk from his landing spot over to the hanger with the MF. That is PRETTY QUICK.

Later on Bespin none of them can hit a bloody thing. Not even Boba.

Unless of course they were specifically told. MISS LUKE SKYWALKER AND LEAD HIM TO THIS ROOM.

So they missed, kepted him pin down with head level shots and then left allowing him his battle with Vader.

Later when leia and the wookiee break out with Lando's aid, the stormtroopers just HAND the guns over to the security force and walk with them. No resistance whatso ever. Clearly another plan change as Vader is using decpetion and keeps altering the deal. Just go with it.

Later they get orders to make it look convincing, when shooting at leia, and the wookiee, and Lando. WHY?

Because some one had to go pick up LUKE.

Now you may ask, wait isn't that quite the Jump in logic.
Nope. Otherwise what would have been the point of disabling the Falcon's hyperdrive. You already had Solo and Leia in custody. That ship wasn't going to go anywhere YOU didn't want it to go. Unless it is another one of those we got one last mission for it. A duo mission of crushing hopes and dreams as well as a delivery.

Clearly the stormtroopers were driving the crew back to the MF so they could go rescue LUKE. This is shown clearly by a stormtrooper waiting for Lando to turn around before taking a pot shot at him.

Now then where is the accuracy? Well beyond say ANH as well as ESB. There is one more clearly defined shot of exterme accuracy. The part where the small appendage of rd-d2 is blown off while he is hugging a wall. As well as Leia taking a hit. Both of these shots were like quick pop off shots, by a trooper also trying to take cover. So when it gets down to it. There is no stormtrooper effect. Stormtroopers are a fanatical elite, clearly willing to obey orders that put them in immense danger, such as deliberately putting up an ineffective resistance as part of a deception plan.

Still think there is one or do you agree?

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:03 am


Scorp Ession, that's a nice assessment but Stormtrooper Effect is what it actually is - on the Death Star during ANH, they couldn't kill them because they were protagonists the tracking device now that was the fail safe...

Truth be told the Stormtroopers are the mightiest force of soldiers in the Galaxy OUTSIDE of the screen, even in the novel adaptations of the movies Stormtroopers have a lot more accuracy
PostPosted: Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:05 pm


have any of you seen videos with stormtroopers dancing around and acting like idiots? yes, i know its ooc, but still. you never see clone troopers doing that.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 23, 2010 4:27 pm


Just face it the good guys always win... Sadly.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 9:26 am


Unfortunately, although some of these arguments are well-phrased and well-rounded, there are a few gaps.

A. The Stormtrooper Effect is partially explained in the article by Scorp Ession's arguments. The Stormtrooper effect is still there, that's just one of the possible explanations.

B. The Stormtrooper Effect is only one possible explanation.

I would like to note that, when chasing Han, Leia, Luke, Chewie, and the droids, the stormtroopers (who are all notably lacking force-sensitivity) are chasing two Force-sensitives of the highest caliber, whether they have training or not, and two of the markedly and recognizably luckiest people in the galaxy...and two of the arguably luckiest droids in the galaxy, as well.

I've always made jokes of the fact that Ben Kenobi makes note of the fact that "Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise," but then those very same stormtroopers can't hit the broadside of the Falcon from ten feet away, like on Hoth.

On the other hand, when Luke, Han, Chewie, Ben, and the droids are leaving Mos Eisley, there is a marked increase in stormtrooper ability.


But when it comes down to it, you have a mix of all these things, I think.
As a writer, I'm often faced with similar situations.

A. You have to make the characters look like they're in danger for excitement, but they must ultimately triumph for your story.

B. You have to have the characters think they're in danger, as well as the audience.

C. You need some espionage and twists in plot to make the story interesting.

Then add into the mix that you have a large number of death commandos well-trained and ready to throw themselves to be cannon fodder, (plus the marked Imperial lack of concern for the common soldier) and voila, the perfect solution.

Throw the commandos who are supposed to make it look good but aren't shooting to kill at the force-sensitives and lucky, and suddenly you have intense firefights that don't have any effect whatsoever.

And like most people who don't really understand, (Han and Luke), you're all failing to see Leia's point. "They let us go. It was the only reason for the ease of our escape."

NOW.

Compare that to clone troopers who are cloned from Jango Fett, are trained to take down and/or kill any assigned target, and don't even have the slight compunction of killing actual beings, fighting for their lives against droids.

Also, let's not mention that the average Jedi Knight (and some Masters) wouldn't survive against droids at Geonosis, and clones are generally considered better than droids, by all accounts.

Lastly, the only part of the Imperial Army or Navy that was still original Clone War stock by the Galactic Civil War was Vader's Fist, which has already been mentioned but could use stressing. Look up Carida sometime.

Have a nice day.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 24, 2010 1:03 pm


well as people mentioned earlier the clones were clones of jango fett the primier mandalorian warrior of his time.

The stormies are mostly recruited. And probably poorly trained on purpose. If i were a glactic emperor i would figure having a strong highly tuned clone army is good, but to have a military force based on conscription, recruitment and so fourth. that way the emperor has control over the galaxy not just with force of arms but with the availability to employ the galaxy as its force of arms. Kind of like the Soviets and their conscript red army. it makes propoganda much easier, and manipulating the people's interests much easier when you are their employer.

not only that but they could be trained inferiorly, and equipt with inferior weapons to cut costs, (much like the soviets did) hand farmers and fools the gun and a uniform and throw them into the trials of war. this to save money, and to always assure more open places for the future recruits to fill. (who then become the future partisans of the imperial policies and politics)

certianly then there would be no comparison between the clones of jango fett and the recruits of inferior training, and inferior equiptment.
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