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PostPosted: Thu Jan 08, 2009 7:28 pm


AriaStarSong
They still look long to me. Not as long as C, maybe, but longer than A. They're also not dropped as much as C, but he's still young, so that could happen with time. I knew a mare whose pasterns had fallen so far that they were almost horizontal. I highly doubt she was born like that.

I don't know. Ideally the angle of the pastern on the forelegs should be about 45 degrees and the pasterns on the hind legs will have slightly more angulation.
PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:26 am


Oh look- she got ANOTHER one! (Don't know why her camera is reading 2005 now- lol)

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DUB WINGS 2002 B C, by FUSAICHI PEGASUS 1997 -- FRETINA 1989
by STAR DE NASKRA 1975

Br-WILLMOTT STABLES (KY) 2008 4 0 0 0 $700
Own-ASHTON PATRICK Tr-ASHTON PATRICK 2007 3 0 0 0 $1,910
Lifetime 13 3 1 0 $49,960 Turf 0 0 0 0 $0
Muddy/Sloppy 0 0 0 0 $0

trk tr wnrs length
date race# dist cd time trainer wt fp behind pp race type bs cl odds
---- ----- ------ -------- -------- --- -- ------ -- ------------ --- --- -----
30Ag08PHA2 5.5f FT1:04.4ASHTON PAT122 9 16 2 Clm 7500n1y 63 108 38.5
13Jy08PHA9 6f FT1:12.1ARISTONE P1157 9 12 1/2 8 Clm 5000n1y 61 107 16.6
01Jy08PHA2 6f FT1:10.3ARISTONE P1157 5 9 1/4 4 Clm 5000n1y 70 109 10.9
22Ju08PHA9 7f FT1:24.4ARISTONE P123 8 18 3 Clm 5000n1y 57 104 7.9
02Sp07PHA4 6f FT1:10.0PRECIADO R122 7 8 1/4 7 Clm 16000n1y 72 109 5.8
13Ag07DEL8 6f FT1:09.4ESTRADA EB119 5 18 5 OC50000n3x-N 66 110 8.6
04Fe07PHA8 7f FT1:23.4PRECIADO R119 6 17 3/4 4 OC35000n4x-N 67 114 2.8
10De06PHA8 6.5f FT1:16.1PRECIADO R119 1 1 3/4 7 Alw 22847n2x 98 119* 1.2
04No06PHA8 6f FT1:09.4PRECIADO R117 1 3 1/2 5 Alw 21000n1x 94 119 5.9
26Ag06DEL6 6f FT1:11.1MCLAUGHLIN1145 7 16 1/2 5 Alw 42900n1x 65 110 6.2


At the end of this horse's career when he was being wrung out for a cheap price by his connections... probably trying to recoup their money on a "bad claim".

I suspect that had they invested a little money into whatever surgery the horse needed, they would have been rewarded fo rtheir efforts and expenses.

Actually, before his downhill slide into the cheap claiming ranks, this was a very nice horse.

Since you can see his final 10 starts above, only 3 of his 13 lifetime starts are missing from this racing record... so that means he won at Mdn Sp. Wgt level (highest level for maidens) in one of his first 3 starts.

His 4th start was apparently in over his head at Delaware Allowance level in late August of 2006, and then he didn't race again until winning back-to-back Allowance races at the easier Philadelphia track in November and 5 weeks later, in December.

At that particular point in his career, he had won 3 of his 6 lifetime races... all of them against high caliber competitors.

However, once he "ran through his conditions" (Knee Issue) and was faced with the much tougher stakes and open allowance company, his connections wisely chose to place him racing against the softer company in optional claiming races of $35,000 and $50,000 price tags... both of those races he was entered as "allowance" and not available to be claimed.

Obviously he had been experiencing problems along the way as he is actually very lightly raced.
After his Allowance win in December of 2006, he wasn't raced again until about 2 months later in February 2007... then was laid off 6 months until August when he made his next start... still at a high level of competition, a $50,000 optional claiming race where the trainer withheld the option of him being available to claim... which proves they still wanted the horse and expected him to improve.

I would surmise that surgery was done on the knee after the February 2007 race... enough time elapsed between races for recovery and reconditioning the horse especially if he did some swimming during recovery.

When he ran back poorly in August at the tougher Delaware track at the $50,000 level, it appears that his connections decided to "dump" him by sending him back to the much easier Philadelphia track, placing him in a $16,000 claimer 2 weeks later.
This strategy makes sense because the horse would have increased his fitness in the race 2 weeks earlier at the $50,000 level, and with the drop in competitive level, he should have won the race at $16,000.

It appears he was claimed from that race, and might have been injured since he didn't race again for 10 months.

His new connections apparently decided they had made a bad claim and proceeded to "jam" him at the $5,000 level until someone took the bait... this would be the guy who Amber got the horse from.

The final owner waited 6 weeks before starting the horse back again, and raced him only once before retiring him.

It would be very interesting to see this horse's vet records... I suspect that he may have had previous surgery.

The horse may or may not be still carrying a chip in his knee, or he may have done new damage to it in training or racing.
He may be perfectly sound and if she has the knee x-rayed it may produce clean radiographs.

It's not unusual for a horse to stop running it's best after an injury (they learn to protect themselves)...

The horse ran some fine high caliber Allowance races at age 4... then tapered off at ages 5 and 6... and whether sore or sound, many racehorses are no longer interested in speed games by that age.

In any event, this horse was lightly raced, spreading 13 starts over 3 or 4 years, and judging from the timeline of the 10 past performances showing on the above record, probably didn't make his first start until midway through his 3 year old season.

If he was mine, I'd get some pictures (x-rays) of that knee just for curiosity sake.

Just wanted to share some TB industry lingo with some of you. wink

What would YOU do with this horse?

Nilou


GogglesMandatory

PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:04 pm


Nilou, I would first get an X-ray of the knee as you suggested depending on this horse's personality and his overall soundness, I would geld him if he's not one (I didn't see it mentioned anywhere, so i'm just putting it out there) And i'm not quite sure what to really do with him because I'm not a thoroughbred person, but there are some faults with him I don't like (not that I can talk because the horse I own right now has faults abound, but homes that don't mind taking good care of a horse with any real faults probably won't be looking for a thoroughbred.)


This may be the angle (it looks the he's facing slightly towards us), but he looks like he has no hindquarters to speak of and shocking withers.

However, I like his legs (apart from the whole knee chip thing, his shoulder is alright, his pasterns look correct and he is very deep through the chest (which is a big plus for me)

To be honest, i'd sell him on to someone who can retrain him and can be bothered with a thoroughbred.
PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:18 am


What kind of saddle would you even use on those withers? I would never ride him bareback that's for sure. Maybe he doesn't have any hindend because he's been laid up for a while? Why does this person keep getting stallions?

EatsSmallKids


Nilou

PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:29 pm


Just droping in to update you guys on my pal Amber:

http://www.fuglyblog.com/2009/amber-hyder/
PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:55 am


Well, she is certainly a real gem!

GogglesMandatory


L Y Z Z A C I O U S` DB

PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:21 pm


Old topic, I know, but I think it's funny EL was trying to say 'oh, he'll grow out of this, and this, and this...'

Legs won't change. If a horse is posty/sickle-hocked/etc as a 2 year old, it will STAY that way. also the neck won't change that much either, besides muscling.

Are you still in contact with this woman, nilou?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 12, 2010 5:46 am


Yes, after she was beggin for money my IRL friends ripped ME a new one b/c I am cruel and heartless. Oh yeah, they also said I was cruel and heartless b/c one of them let Amber post pics of her (my *friend's*) daughter on a mare that was 200 lbs underweight, had her head tied back to an english saddle girth with leadropes and the girl (14-ish) wasn't wearing a helmet (but had on her stylish lime green barrel racer boots, skin tight jeans and a halter top. Sorry Fugly missed that one!). I made a comment, hoping to convey that I would not let my own daughter be photographed with a skinny horse --- with it's head tied back --- on that woman's property and the mother took it as me saying her daughter doesn't know how to ride. Sooooo for the past couple weeks she and her minions have been putting me, my horses and my daughter down via the internet. It makes it a little uncomfortable when I bring my daughter to 4H but I've kept my daughter out of the loop. I just tell her to ride, have fun, whatever --- lemme know when your done kinda thing...

The mother is a 4H leader here...... Oh, and she posted pics of the mare (LadyBug or w/e they call her at the rescue) w/a vet who was washing the wounds, on her FB and said he was CUTE. Well, sorry, in my book cute doesn't equal competent. I don't care if the vet is a hunched over old man with no teeth. He's there to work on the horse.

The story *was* that the mare was trying to defend her foal. As of yet, there is NO FOAL ANYWHERE TO BE FOUND. The atk *supposedly* happend at someone elses house, not Amber's.

...and Amber Hyder had the nerve to bring 2 horses to the last 4H show.

Anyway, yeah, thanks for letting me vent. These people suck!

Nilou


Nilou

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 06, 2010 7:03 pm


I can't see the pic of your horse.

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