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 Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2008 10:43 am
We've seen gateways happen before, and many of them seem to be in the most convenient places. I think these things are great to use in fantasy, albeit with certain restrictions or consequences.
However, gates haven't been OVERLY used in fantasy. We tend to see it more often in science fiction, especially in TV shows like Stargate.
They were also used in the Legacy of Kain saga in Soul Reaver, and Drakan: The Ancient's Gates. I've not seen them in all that many places, although when they are used they're most often used in quantity - though they aren't in Drakan. In Drakan: The Ancient's Gates on the PS2, there's a single one in each region, whereas in Soul Reaver there's one in absolutely every single area you visit.
So, let's look at:
* All the different gates we know, and how they're used.
* How they might work (of course magic is included in this because it's fantasy/supernatural.
* What restrictions/consequences are on any of the ones you know, those you may have created or those you may intend on creating?
* Where they are in a book/game/film, or where you'd put them in your own worlds.
Those are just a few of the things that can be discussed in this topic.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 2:40 pm
I've seen the Stargate: Atlantis show and that's about it, really.
However, I do have something to say concerning my own ideas. For example:
I had the idea (when I was much younger) that a gate could work by literally splitting a doorway in two pieces. You could then place one side of that door at a point (in the middle of a garden for instance) and the other one at a distant point miles away. In theory, walking through one would instantly get you to the other side cuz they would be connected by some space/time deviation or whatever. I know this isn't making much sense but I'm not sure how else to put it.
That idea of mine was made up a long time ago and it was mostly about sci-fi cuz the people who invented it had to use some kind of special knife to cut the doorway so that one side would always lead to the other. In fantasy however, I'm sure there can be lots of explanations for this and how gates can work. 3nodding
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 9:44 am
I think that walking through a shimmering gateway and appearing on the other side which is thousands of miles away instantaneously is a bit stupid.
Of course, the idea is that you can travel such a distance in a shorter space of time, but in my mind not instantly.
My first thought on that is if you're going a considerable distance than it should take a bit longer. However, one would need to work out what effect such things have on the body before making a statement like "this is how it works".
Even in Stargate and Sliders the characters don't get there instantly. You get the windy tunnel effect for a number of seconds before they emerge. I'm not saying walking through a gateway has to send you flying around like you're on a rollercoaster or a vast bendy slide, but take more than the blink of an eye to get anywhere.
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Posted: Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:31 pm
Really? Well, you'd have to think about it as a sort of bend between time and space. If you think of the universe as a piece of paper and you bend it so the two opposite sides get one on top of the other, then a microbe could instantaneously traverse between those two points. Well, almost instantaneously anyway...
I think I get what you're saying but, what if there were things that worked in a way that they would violate every know physics law? There's a lot we don't know about the universe to begin with and the things that don't make sense to us, could very well end up making sense somewhere in the vastness of space. Don't you think? neutral
I wonder what everyone else will think about this...
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Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 11:58 am
I didn't say it wouldn't be fast, you know. I just don't think it'd be instantaneous if you're trying to get somewhere on the other side of the planet. Seconds to minutes perhaps. I don't know, I'm just speculating here.
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Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 12:07 pm
I know Mel... still, I had the idea that if the same portion of a certain something could be split into two in a way that it wouldn't actually separate it... well, it might make what I was thinking to be possible. Gee, I know I'm not making much sense right now but it's cuz I am finding very hard to explain this on text. Maybe if we were to actually voice chat on a messenger, I could explain it more clearly. Better yet, if we were to video chat it would make things easier cuz then I could actually show you how it could work instead of just talking about it.
Say, I hear that the "eyes" are the gateway to one's soul. What do you think of that saying Mel? Too bad nobody else is coming here cuz it's an interesting subject....
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 10:57 am
I think the eyes reflect a person's mood and feelings very well. So I think there is truth in that phrase.
You can voice chat over messengers (we did that before), it's just the headset hurts my ears after a time and I don't have a webcam in order to video-chat. I find that webcams are always delay a few to several seconds.
That aggravates me to be honest.
I know what you want to be able to explain, and it's something that I think of in much the same way. However, save direct teleportation for the thread specifically for it which was stickied in the Portal but is now in here. Think about this thread as being linked with teleportation, but let's say walking through a gate took you to a pocket dimenson for a few seconds or minutes until you reached the other side rather than disassembling you. How about looking at it that way?
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Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 3:15 pm
Well, it's cool to know you think that way Mel. BTW, what would you call contact lenses in that sense? Would you call them mood shields or more like soul/gateway covers? I know we did that before and it's too bad about yer ears. I had no idea but, we could chat for only a few minutes, not too long you know. I agree with the webcam thing, I think it's one of the reasons we don't have one here either. Hmm, I wasn't thinking of it like that. Have you seen any of the Warner bros cartoons with Bugs Bunny and the like? Ever seen when they pull out a hole and place it somewhere where there is another hole already? And how one of the characters sticks a shotgun in one of the holes and the other end of the shotgun comes out the other hole? That's sort of how I think my idea could work but, I sort of had an explanation for it. Not very technical of course cuz I don't know didly squat about physics but, I figured that if someone could in theory, cut a doorway in half, it could work. However, it's not just about cutting a doorway in half with a katana or whatever, you'd have to use a pretty ingenious way like a time and space shifter or bender. I'm not sure but, that's sort of what I had in mind. It wouldn't be teleportation at all if you don't actually teleport yourself. I suppose it could be perceived as similar, though... sweatdrop
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 9:23 pm
The first one that comes to mind for me is definitely The Gate from Full Metal Alchemist. The Gate is a passage between two dimensions, which were the same up until alchemy was discovered in one. It is also sort of like a life source, or where dead souls go and where potential souls (homunculi) linger. And in order to use the Gate (mainly, people use it to try to bring people back from the dead), which in the series can only be accessed by very talented alchemists, one has to give something of equal value in return for what they recieve.
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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2009 1:24 pm
Yes, yes. Not bad Cali. I had completely forgotten about FMA to be honest. That famous gate was only seen by very accomplished Alchemists and after seeing it they no longer required to draw alchemy circles in order to perform transmutations. Too bad Al didn't see it cuz he still needs to draw and that takes away precious time when battling.
Let's see... what other kinds of gates could we discuss here? neutral
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Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:30 pm
More circumstances in which they could work.
The gate in FMA is a really unusual one as well so, there's the opportunity to discuss how certain gates might work (perhaps regarding restrictions etc), which can involve that particular one as well.
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Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2009 4:26 pm
You know, I was wondering about how instantaneous travel between to gateways would be possible. I remember watching an interesting show (probably in the discovery Channel) about how some beings from other dimensions (like the 4th, for example) could visit us and how they could make instant travels through the universe.
Imagine a simple sheet of paper. If there were beings living on said sheet they would have to be one dimensional, wouldn't they? It would take them a long time to travel from the center of the sheet to any of the corners, wouldn't you say? Or how about moving to the other side of the sheet? That would take even longer, me thinks.
But what if one of them had the ability to actually punch a hole through the sheet of paper? It would allow it to instantly transport it to the other side of the sheet, wouldn't you say?
I see gateways as more than just openings into other worlds. How about everyone else? What do you think of the concept I just mentioned?
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Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2009 1:31 pm
Depending on how close the next place was, I don't think it'd be instantaneous. If it was a few miles away, maybe it could be done in a few moments. If it was from, say, Guatemala to England, then I'd say it'd be longer, but not an extreme amount of time.
During the time it takes though, there's a chance it might seem instantaneous however long, whereas in the physical world it may be seconds, to minutes or even hours.
If you're punching a hole through the paper (effectively the world), you're probably going into the realms of black holes.
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2009 4:46 pm
Hmm, I don't think there would be a difference depending on the length of the distance traveled. I mean, if someone truly had the ability to bend or move time and space, it should be instantaneous. For example, think about when you go into your room. What if someone replaced your entire room with a part of the supermarket? As soon as you opened the door to yer room, you'd be able to see that part of the supermarket and just go in instantaneously. If, however, it was replaced by something much farther like, my room for example, you'd be able to see the following:  Therefore, you wouldn't even feel much difference, time-wise at least, as if you went from one side of the door to the other. You know? I can see how you'd be going into the realm of black holes by punching a hole in the world though... but that's if you are not moving and/or altering time and space.
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