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ElenaMason

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:58 pm


Okay first off, even if you guys find this to be the dumbest thing you've ever seen, please just amuse my fancy for a moment of your time. To be exact, make that 4minutes and 25 seconds of your time.

Okay:

1) I am a firm believer of demon's and angels. And 98% of the time when you're dealing with a spirit, its going to be a demon, from what I've studied and have dealt with personally.
2) No...I'm not so naive to believe that every spirit/poltergeist/demon/ghost video on youtube is real. There are ways to fake the stuff easily in most cases of what you find on youtube.

With that in mind, here is a video I want you guys to review.

Random Ghost Video Title

Okay now that you guys have viewed over it, here is what I want to ask you.

1)Most videos found of moving items of any sorta, can most of the time be faked. But if a video involves strange activity with an animal THEN it gets my interest.

So the first thing I want to ask is, how easy is it to train an animal to react to something that obviously you can't see? I mean yeah it could be argued that someone could have been behind the camera to cause the dogs to react, but at the angle the dogs look up and the way they act nervous in such a strange way...I mean what do you guys think of that?

2) Physics...what usually fascinates me on some videos is the "physics" of how an object can be faked moving on its own with a wire string vs of it being moved by an unnatural force and appearing in an unnatural movement.

What get's to me the most in this video is the "physics" of how the paper towel is flipped. I mean if it was pulled off the table, that could be easily faked with fishing wire. But studying the direction of where its being flipped and HOW its being flipped boggles the s**t out of me. Basically when I look at it, it looks like a paper towel being flipped forward, and then played in reverse. Only in this case that "reverse" motion is happening first. Does that make any sense? I mean the "physics" of it makes no sense to me or how it could be faked, hence why it looks real to me.

3)Okay, the chemistry of somebody's vision. When you stare at something without blinking for a period of time and move your vision away; almost like a photographic memory, you can still see that image in front of your eyes. I forgot the technical term for that.

The reason I bring that up is because throughout the entire video, if you keep starring at the door when its opening and closing, you can tell there's an inconsistency of movement of shadow and what not on the door. Almost as if you're seeing a watery ripple affect in the air. You can see it to the upper right of the door frame and you can see it above the table. Even if I stare at these spots in the videos with my peripheral vision, I sitll see the watery affect in the air. And yes I know sometimes not as clear quality videos can create that type of affect on the video, but in this one it seems too out of place to me.

4)Radio wave frequencies.

Obviously about the radio. Yes, someone could be fiddling with the radio, but that's an extremely weird sound for a radio frequency to be interrupted don't you think? I want to hear your thoughts on it.

5)The door opening and closing. When it closed the first time, I figured someone was inside the closet and pulling it shut. But then when it kept reopening and reclosing...you'd have to turn the handle in order to open it and close it like that so I doubt you can do that with fishing wire. What do you think of that theory? How could that possibly be faked?

One other thing I clearly noticed is at one point the video's vision blurred. Can that be easily faked as well? Usually if a video is edited you can tell where the video cuts on and off, but I don't seem to notice any of that in this video. Also one last note. If this is fake, it'd have to be done by at least more than one person correct? And if so, if there were multiple people in the room, wouldn't the dogs have noticed or reacted at least? The dogs only reacted to one thing.

Let me hear ALL YOUR THOUGHTS!
PostPosted: Sun Dec 14, 2008 12:11 am


No takers? ah come on guys. I picked the video for specific reasons and if you read over my theories on each part of the video I found boggling, you might find it interesting. Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease crying Humor me just this once and I promise I won't post another thread like this one hahah. blaugh

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 09, 2009 7:14 pm


I guess people avoided this topic because there is no point in debunking something that doesn't exist, yet you believe in (for whatever reasons.)

But... the sound of the radio could be done with a magnet messing up the speakers. hell, why is the radio ON in the first place?

Door opening and closing does not have to necessarily happen in real time. Stop motion works wonders. Otherwise, we should all start believing that Robot Chicken is a sign from gods, spirits or demons, that all they really want is to entertain us.

Physics wouldn't necessarily apply to the papertowel either if we use the robot chicken argument... then again, someone could've just pulled it from under the table. Since it's angled just right so we wouldn't see the hole of the roll. (argument best explained by a comment on the link)

Next, it's not a matter of: It's this, or that, or it's easily explained like so, but lets assume ideal-spirits, or ideal-demons or all these pretty ideal-gods exist.

The orb, what the ******** ever is that... why would a demon or angel appear as an orb, just ONCE, for less than a second... and from a source of light in the video. If it choose to be an orb THEN, why not during the whole length of the video... where we could've seen it interact with the door.

Next, why the ******** does a non-existent demon, non-existent spirit, need to play with a freaking door? Does it amuse them? Do they have to open them to go into the next room? What the ******** are they thinking?

Also... no one is ******** watching them. So why the ******** interact with doors, dogs, and paper towels in the first place? To pass the time? To annoy dogs who they happen to dislike? Why?

In regards to the video... how do you even know what TIME it is... if you don't set your cam to record time/date in the first place.

But, to fuel your beLIEf, i'll leave with some silly questions. Why would anyone go this far to do/film all this? Entertainment? Views on youtube? what?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2009 5:33 pm


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I guess people avoided this topic because there is no point in debunking something that doesn't exist, yet you believe in (for whatever reasons.)

But... the sound of the radio could be done with a magnet messing up the speakers. hell, why is the radio ON in the first place?

Door opening and closing does not have to necessarily happen in real time. Stop motion works wonders. Otherwise, we should all start believing that Robot Chicken is a sign from gods, spirits or demons, that all they really want is to entertain us.

Physics wouldn't necessarily apply to the papertowel either if we use the robot chicken argument... then again, someone could've just pulled it from under the table. Since it's angled just right so we wouldn't see the hole of the roll. (argument best explained by a comment on the link)

Next, it's not a matter of: It's this, or that, or it's easily explained like so, but lets assume ideal-spirits, or ideal-demons or all these pretty ideal-gods exist.

The orb, what the ******** ever is that... why would a demon or angel appear as an orb, just ONCE, for less than a second... and from a source of light in the video. If it choose to be an orb THEN, why not during the whole length of the video... where we could've seen it interact with the door.

Next, why the ******** does a non-existent demon, non-existent spirit, need to play with a freaking door? Does it amuse them? Do they have to open them to go into the next room? What the ******** are they thinking?

Also... no one is ******** watching them. So why the ******** interact with doors, dogs, and paper towels in the first place? To pass the time? To annoy dogs who they happen to dislike? Why?

In regards to the video... how do you even know what TIME it is... if you don't set your cam to record time/date in the first place.

But, to fuel your beLIEf, i'll leave with some silly questions. Why would anyone go this far to do/film all this? Entertainment? Views on youtube? what?


Yeah I realized that posting it may have been pointless because no one else here but me believes in spirits. But the main reason I wanted opinions is because it was more or less, if the video is faked....HOW is it faked taking into affect of physics and whatever. But thank you so much for posting back.

Radio and magnets huh? Guess that could easily screw a frequency. I've never even heard of that before.

Stop motion with doors. Christ, I never even thought of that ever. I've never done stop motion before, but I've seen it before. Robot Chicken is a great show xD But I honestly dont' see how that would work on the flipping of the paper towel. Someone would have had to stand there and hold it at each angel at each second perfectly to make it look like .....no....I don't think I can agree with that theory. And I thought of different ways they could have attached a string to it etc etc, but every theory I cam up with, it just doesn't fit "how" it was flipped. It seems too unnatural. But I guess we'll ever know.

Lol orb? I'm not talking abotu the orb. In fact I can barely see the orb at all that they mentioned in the video. I'm talking about the wattery affect that is inconsistent with shadow on/in front of the door itself. I know the quality isn't the greatest, but I've worked with videos long enough to know the difference between crappy quality affects, and something that doesn't seem like its supposed to be part of the video like that. Other's have confirmed that they see what I'm talking about as well.

Regarding time, I could honestly care less what time it is on the video. I guess i mentioned something about time earlier? O_o oops...lol. In regards to the interactions of spirits, in your point of view, lets say they exist. Who are we to stand here and try to explain why a spirit is doing whatever its doing? You could actually be dead on accurate with the assumption that maybe the spirit IS bored shitless and needs something to do. Maybe it knew it was being recorded and decided to do something to scare the s**t out of the person that plans to watch the video later. Hence why it also screwed with the camera itself. As a personal belief of my own, honestly I think most of the time demons screw around with us because they get a kick out of it and they consider us enemies. And what a better way to pass the time then to scare the crap out of your enemies? Lol at least I know I would.

Anyway thanks for the food for thought ^_^ It means a lot to me, it really does that you took your time, as pointless as it was, to look over my post and respond back. Anyway, hope the video wasn't too horribly boring if nothing else lol. I find it fun to debunk youtube videos. biggrin

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 05, 2009 11:32 am


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I'll give it this much, that is a creepy video. However, there's nothing there that couldn't have been done with a video editing program. Everything from the sounds, to the door, to the radio can all be done with even free online programs. Fake as it is, it's still a creepy fake.


Oh, if there is one total clue that it's a fake, it's the creepy old jazz music on the radio. I would kill for a radio station that played old big band or classic jazz. And even if the person were fortunate enough to live in an area that aired that kind of music, the odds of it being on the radio when ghostly things happen is just too convenient for me. xd
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